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dontsurf 05-17-2024 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3803099)
Guys. This is them recinding the jacket policy. No one's gonna be out there with a thermometer checking for coats. The new policy could be read as "Don't be a moron and fly to NYC when it's 55 and do your walk around shivering." This is a good thing. Take the win.

you can be a moron and wear your jacket when it's 55. that's my whole point. i don't like wearing the jacket inside the airport pretty much ever. this new policy (which of course doesn't apply to walkarounds, unless you're a moron) says we have to wear the jacket inside the airport when the high of the day is going to be below 65. all year round. this is way worse than what we had before for someone like me who gets too warm with the jacket on pretty much all the time.

Flyby1206 05-17-2024 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3803230)
Lift award for you. I dont care what they say about you in the bathroom, you alright.

I’ll be here all week (I hope? :eek:)

Bluedriver 05-17-2024 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by dontsurf (Post 3803243)
you can be a moron and wear your jacket when it's 55. that's my whole point. i don't like wearing the jacket inside the airport pretty much ever. this new policy (which of course doesn't apply to walkarounds, unless you're a moron) says we have to wear the jacket inside the airport when the high of the day is going to be below 65. all year round. this is way worse than what we had before for someone like me who gets too warm with the jacket on pretty much all the time.

That's a Bingo. This new policy is absolutely ridiculous. Now we have to theoretically do homework before packing for a trip, and hope the weather app we use doesn't have a different high than the app they use, or that the WX doesn't change after we leave home for a 3-5 day trip.

When I read the policy, I had to check the date I thought for sure it was April 1st again.

goshawk 05-17-2024 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by dontsurf (Post 3803243)
you can be a moron and wear your jacket when it's 55. that's my whole point. i don't like wearing the jacket inside the airport pretty much ever. this new policy (which of course doesn't apply to walkarounds, unless you're a moron) says we have to wear the jacket inside the airport when the high of the day is going to be below 65. all year round. this is way worse than what we had before for someone like me who gets too warm with the jacket on pretty much all the time.

Thats what I hope the softshell jacket will fix. Something for the mid temps spring/fall

PSU Flyer 05-17-2024 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by goshawk (Post 3803371)
Thats what I hope the softshell jacket will fix. Something for the mid temps spring/fall

You mean the soft shell jacket with the epaulets and name tag? Every time we take a step forward, we take two steps backwards.

Flyby1206 05-17-2024 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by PSU Flyer (Post 3803373)
You mean the soft shell jacket with the epaulets and name tag? Every time we take a step forward, we take two steps backwards.

Please God tell me this is a joke and we won’t have epaulets on the exterior of a jacket.

MainlineFlyer 05-17-2024 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3803360)
That's a Bingo. This new policy is absolutely ridiculous. Now we have to theoretically do homework before packing for a trip, and hope the weather app we use doesn't have a different high than the app they use, or that the WX doesn't change after we leave home for a 3-5 day trip.

When I read the policy, I had to check the date I thought for sure it was April 1st again.

I mean, don't you usually check the weather before leaving on a multi day trip? I guess I'm just extra.

Bluedriver 05-17-2024 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3803436)
I mean, don't you usually check the weather before leaving on a multi day trip? I guess I'm just extra.

Generally not very closely. This policy would require granular checking for each destination, not just each layover. And could well require me to lug a jacket I don't want to bring because ONE city in four days drops below 65 degrees. Even during the late spring, summer, and early fall when I would not have previously had to lug a jacket at all.

There is no defense for this, it's ridiculous.

Bluedriver 05-17-2024 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3803425)
Please God tell me this is a joke and we won’t have epaulets on the exterior of a jacket.

You just stick a Delta patch on when you go to the bar on a layover.

Flyby1206 05-17-2024 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3803463)
You just stick a Delta patch on when you go to the bar on a layover.

Can I put my old callsign from the F-teener days?

Bluedriver 05-17-2024 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3803478)
Can I put my old callsign from the F-teener days?

Obviously. How else would you convince people you're a real Delta pilot?

PSU Flyer 05-18-2024 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3803425)
Please God tell me this is a joke and we won’t have epaulets on the exterior of a jacket.

Not a joke. Read the JetBlue News email from May15th. Apparently, not being identified as a pilot was a concern. I don’t want to be identified as a pilot when commuting or walking through the airport, and certainly not on my layover.

Flyby1206 05-18-2024 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by PSU Flyer (Post 3803733)
Not a joke. Read the JetBlue News email from May15th. Apparently, not being identified as a pilot was a concern. I don’t want to be identified as a pilot when commuting or walking through the airport, and certainly not on my layover.

that was the one redeeming quality of the wool overcoat. Blending in with the business travellers

Bluedriver 05-18-2024 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by PSU Flyer (Post 3803733)
Not a joke. Read the JetBlue News email from May15th. Apparently, not being identified as a pilot was a concern. I don’t want to be identified as a pilot when commuting or walking through the airport, and certainly not on my layover.

Agree. I want a completely de-identified coat. I'm not interested in playing airport information officer 79 times per day.

ImGonnaRollit 05-18-2024 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3803099)
Guys. This is them recinding the jacket policy. No one's gonna be out there with a thermometer checking for coats. The new policy could be read as "Don't be a moron and fly to NYC when it's 55 and do your walk around shivering." This is a good thing. Take the win.


idk there’s a certain BOS CP who’s hell bent on screwing over pilots in every way possible. He might might be out there with a thermometer. Iykyk who I’m talking about

Bluediver 05-18-2024 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3803754)
Agree. I want a completely de-identified coat. I'm not interested in playing airport information officer 79 times per day.

Oh just put a pi$$ed off beyond belief scowl on your face a walk like you have somewhere to go. They don’t bother you then.

Bluedriver 05-19-2024 02:32 AM


Originally Posted by Bluediver (Post 3803821)
Oh just put a pi$$ed off beyond belief scowl on your face a walk like you have somewhere to go. They don’t bother you then.

That just might work.

avi8orco 05-19-2024 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by PSU Flyer (Post 3803733)
Not a joke. Read the JetBlue News email from May15th. Apparently, not being identified as a pilot was a concern. I don’t want to be identified as a pilot when commuting or walking through the airport, and certainly not on my layover.

they didn’t care about us being identified as pilots when they came out with that ridiculous wool coat, why do they care now?

Bluediver 05-19-2024 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by avi8orco (Post 3803869)
they didn’t care about us being identified as pilots when they came out with that ridiculous wool coat, why do they care now?

Because they’re Laser focused and doubled down on culture. That culture includes values. Those values include caring. You’re welcome.

CADR 05-19-2024 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by Bluediver (Post 3803871)
Because they’re Laser focused and doubled down on culture. That culture includes values. Those values include caring. You’re welcome.

lol the traveling public is stupid, that's why they ask "are you a pilot"?

Oh wait, "Are you a pilot, or a Co-pilot?".

I'm a "First Officer".

"Oh so when are you going to be a pilot?".

Anyway so you honestly think they care about your culture? You're a glorified bus driver to them. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Bluediver 05-19-2024 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by CADR (Post 3803888)
lol the traveling public is stupid, that's why they ask "are you a pilot"?

Oh wait, "Are you a pilot, or a Co-pilot?".

I'm a "First Officer".

"Oh so when are you going to be a pilot?".

Anyway so you honestly think they care about your culture? You're a glorified bus driver to them. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

The “they” he referred to was the company. I sleep just fine friend.

dreadFOroberts 05-19-2024 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3803754)
Agree. I want a completely de-identified coat. I'm not interested in playing airport information officer 79 times per day.

If it's the same kind of coat I think it is, it will take 2 seconds to remove the epaulettes (requires velcro epaulettes to do it) and then the name patch (if we have one) and it looks like every other generic shell. Easy peasy. Stick em in the (ample) pockets and you're good to go.

Wasntme 05-19-2024 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by dreadFOroberts (Post 3803923)
If it's the same kind of coat I think it is, it will take 2 seconds to remove the epaulettes (requires velcro epaulettes to do it) and then the name patch (if we have one) and it looks like every other generic shell. Easy peasy. Stick em in the (ample) pockets and you're good to go.


are you talking about the 3 seasons jacket that SWA has? Hope so.

Supermid 05-19-2024 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Bluediver (Post 3803821)
Oh just put a pi$$ed off beyond belief scowl on your face a walk like you have somewhere to go. They don’t bother you then.

You must be describing my normal face, nobody asks me anything.

Bluediver 05-19-2024 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Supermid (Post 3803983)
You must be describing my normal face, nobody asks me anything.

We must have a similar look and pace then lol

dreadFOroberts 05-20-2024 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by Wasntme (Post 3803959)
are you talking about the 3 seasons jacket that SWA has? Hope so.

Don't know - not familiar. But I know the UAX regionals and I think NK had them. What I'm thinking of is a shell made by a company called Karbon. Looks like a North Face with a higher collar and more pockets. Very tasteful, quality jacket. I still have one and I'm hoping we adopt it.

They also make a nice quilted liner than doubles as a separate jacket on an overnight.

BusBoi 05-20-2024 05:41 AM

We have the Karbon at Spirit and most pilots have migrated to it. I bought it with company reimbursment but also still sometimes wear my trusty old Perrone leather from my regional days.

It's a nice and functional jacket. But the sizing is funky, so do not order the combo (shell and liner). Since you guys have a uniform sweater I'd say just get the shell. It runs big; I'm a size M in real life but wear a S Karbon.

Here's what it looks like: Southwest Airlines – Karbon2

Personally I think jetBlue should just reinstate the leather.

ReachHeavy 05-21-2024 05:59 AM

Did i just notice this or has it been there for awhile, in open time the Crew Class: dropdown has MCO-223-FO ?

knewyork 05-21-2024 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by ReachHeavy (Post 3804454)
Did i just notice this or has it been there for awhile, in open time the Crew Class: dropdown has MCO-223-FO ?


It’s for training. Been there a while.

Willfly4 05-21-2024 06:40 AM

Anyone know what the medical reimbursement is at JB?

Tornado875 05-21-2024 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by Willfly4 (Post 3804469)
Anyone know what the medical reimbursement is at JB?

You get 150$ on the first paycheck of the year I believe.

Bluediver 05-21-2024 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by Tornado875 (Post 3804471)
You get 150$ on the first paycheck of the year I believe.

Incorrect. It can be found in CBA 5.L. To much to type.

HeloBubba53 05-21-2024 05:12 PM

I just saw this email: This does not bode well for some. Some guys may never be able to get back into the school house once removed.

JBU Instructor Pilots,

In the next few days, we will be soliciting for volunteers to return to the line. Those who volunteer and hold a line position in the same aircraft type will be able to convert to Adjunct status if desired. We will be considering approximately 52 volunteers. If we are unable to solicit enough volunteers, we are likely to need to move to non-volunteering Instructor Pilots in reverse seniority order.

avi8orco 05-21-2024 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by HeloBubba53 (Post 3804638)
I just saw this email: This does not bode well for some. Some guys may never be able to get back into the school house once removed.

JBU Instructor Pilots,

In the next few days, we will be soliciting for volunteers to return to the line. Those who volunteer and hold a line position in the same aircraft type will be able to convert to Adjunct status if desired. We will be considering approximately 52 volunteers. If we are unable to solicit enough volunteers, we are likely to need to move to non-volunteering Instructor Pilots in reverse seniority order.

this is expected…not going to need 190 instructors pretty soon.

HeloBubba53 05-22-2024 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by avi8orco (Post 3804660)
this is expected…not going to need 190 instructors pretty soon.

Unfortunately this will affect more than 190 instructors. Especially when looking at the bottom of the seniority list up. Senior 190 instructors will convert to another aircraft type while 220 and 320 instructors hired in the last 3 years will be sent to the line. And with no 220 base in MCO I wonder if they chose A320MCO on this supp bid in order to avoid commuting if they will ever be able to get back to the school house when they need instructors again.

RiddleEagle18 05-22-2024 03:06 PM

JetBlue and British airways plan a pretty sizable codeshare.

https://paxex.aero/jetblue-british-airways-codeshare
/

Are these the first steps towards joining one world?

DrSmacFum 05-22-2024 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 3804857)
JetBlue and British airways plan a pretty sizable codeshare.

https://paxex.aero/jetblue-british-airways-codeshare
/

Are these the first steps towards joining one world?

Definitely looks like it.

Roy Biggins 05-22-2024 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 3804857)
JetBlue and British airways plan a pretty sizable codeshare.

https://paxex.aero/jetblue-british-airways-codeshare
/

Are these the first steps towards joining one world?

Fnally starting to see some hope.

dreadFOroberts 05-23-2024 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by Roy Biggins (Post 3804903)
Fnally starting to see some hope.

For the ignorant and un-initiated, what would joining OneWorld get JetBlue? What's the advantage?

Flyby1206 05-23-2024 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by dreadFOroberts (Post 3804956)
For the ignorant and un-initiated, what would joining OneWorld get JetBlue? What's the advantage?

BOS/NYC are important cities for oneworld broadly speaking. AA has typically been the oneworld partner to offer US domestic connections there, but in recent years they have shifted away from BOS/NYC and focused on their PHL/CLT/MIA/DFW/PHX hubs. We saw this play out with Alaska on the west coast agreement:

https://news.aa.com/news/news-detail...elers-NET-ALP/

And AA attempted a similar, albeit more ambitious, agreement with the NEA and JB. We all know the NEA was shot down, but I suspect this BA codeshare is the start of a copycat agreement like AS has out west. We can't codeshare with AA or AS since our CBA prohibits it, so BA is the best option at the moment.

Jetblue joining oneworld means a massive bank of frequent fliers will now buy tickets on our metal so they can earn/burn frequent flier points. It also gives the TrueBlue loyalty program a huge bump in value, offering more options to earn/burn points on AA, BA, or any oneworld carrier.

Also following the theme of AA focusing elsewhere, we could see a new gate/slot lease deal where we pick up NYC/BOS/DCA real estate from AA and grow those regions even more.


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