B6Guy

My 'hit a nerve' comment was a come-back for your foaming-at-the-mouth responce. And your name calling. It certainly was not my aim or intent. If you look above you will see a couple of civil posts, too bad the majority of the site isn't similar.

Yes I suppose that I started the name calling by renaming your Mr Negative. I still invite you to hand your laptop to an outside-the-industry person and get their feedback on your posts. Maybe you will listen to them.

If you care, my sole purpose of registering and posting was to tone down the negative atmosphere here. This site or one like it is badly needed here. But this one is heading down a path that will only ostrasize the majority and the leadership.

The only way that anything will change is with cooperation, compromise and patience. Nothing in most [but not all] of your posts promote cooperation, compromise or patience. You seem hell-bent on bringing a union here. If that happens it happens, too bad, and shame on us and management for not not making it work without a union.

This site would be great if it were something that you could steer Dave and David to to read some good discussions about improving the airline, and the QOL of the crews. But I would be embarassed to have Dave or David come here and read what is here, especially HOW it is written.

But I have to admit that after reading though virtually every thread and post here that it had a chance if the overall tone wasn't so adversarial right from the first keystroke.

I was really excited when I heard about this site but as I've said in previous posts I'm dismayed at what I found here. I hope you can tone down your rhetoric and make this site a useful tool instead of a cesspool of discontent which it rapidly is becoming. But I fear it is too late for this forum, the damage is done.

Blue 2

"It’s funny that we’ve all avoided personal attacks on this forum right up to the point at which B6 and Blue 2 decided “join” in the discussion."


I do not believe I have committed ANY personal attacks. I have been very careful to not do that. If you have preceived one please let me know where.
Although I disagree with much you propose that is NOT a personal attack.

B6Guy

Realistic : you are really foaming-at-the-mouth now!! In the time I took to write a response you have posted five times!! LOL, Go fire up the BBQ and roast some hotdogs and burgers!!! Write B6Guy on them and really roast them LOL!!

BTW: you hit on a great, constructive possiblity:

Start a survey here on this site, that is aimed at measuring Morale, Productivity, QOL and Prosperity. Make it an alternative to the company survey. Maybe, just maybe you can create a useful tool someone can take to management ??!! Are you up to it??

The company survey tip-toes around the touchy issues that the company would get slammed on. This is all wrong, it needs to be all encompassing. Not a feel good survey. Look what happened with the training department on the first survey. Slammed!! and slowly it seems to be getting better.

The very same survey each year is what is needed, changing the questions to suite the times is counter productive to what a survey is supposed to measure.

B6Guy

Blue 2 wrote:

Well I disagree with Realistic quite often but I see the posts as his way if letting us know what's on his mind. I honestly think he is trying to improve our workplace/conditions. Just because we look in different directions to solve problems dosen't make him negative. I guess you call it complaining, I call it him speaking his mind to alert us to misunderstandings, possible pitfalls and his solutions to some of them.

Realistic, Blue 2 defended you. The above was written after my first and second post directed at you because of your rhetoric, not the content of your posts.

Realistic

How about we just simply respect each others opinions and allow each other to have them? That would be nice.
You think a union would be bad and I think it will become necessary. I don't have a problem with that but you both want to discredit the messenger rather than the message.
How about we conduct ourselves with good old fashioned civility?
I will disagree respectfully and you guys can do the same.
None of us can hope to control the tone of this board and none of us should try.
I don't agree with FNG much of the time but I have never gone after him and I don't believe that he's gone after anyone else.
Let's try to live by that standard going forward.

As far as the survey, I've been involved with online pilot surveys conducted at other airlines. The participation is spotty and the results are usually viewed with sceptisism. I think the values committee would have more luck with a "Jetblue Survey" style of direct e-mail campaign.
That said, the internet forum is an excellent place to develop questions for an e-mail survey.
Another helpful tool would be if the values committee could spend $50 and set up a Jetblue pilot web domaine with password protection and confidentiality agreement. We would get much more participation with privacy and assurance of anonymity.
By saying this, I'm not raising or lowering the efficacy of the values committee. I'm still not quite sure what their function is but it would put their tenure to good use.

Guys,
I appologize if at some point I've been out of line but I really cannot compromise things that I firmly believe because people are getting mad.
Fly Safe

Blue 2

If you have NOT found any personal attacks by me I would like you to rework your statement to exclude Blue 2.
I do try to live up to "I will disagree respectfully and you guys can do the same." And I think I have.

B6Guy

Realistic, I offer you my applogy for focusing my dismay at you. It came off as personal attacks at you. And I certainly should have not singled out you alone out for the tone and rhetoric on this site, you are not alone on this site.

You are VERY adamant in your beliefs and opinions, and come across quite strongly with them. I'm glad you created a venue for 'speaking' your mind, but I would hope that your intent IS to effect some change for the better, and not just vent.

That said, I stand by my comments and opinions about tone and rhetoric. Please, lets redirect this site towards some positive motions that can hopefully effect the future of us here.

I think that a second survey available online could be used as a powerful tool for any future discussions with either management or the Values Committee. I agree participation may be low, even our own offical survey appears to have poor participation. I hope that close to 100% of the pilots do participate.

Your idea of using this site as a way to create a list of Survey questions is very good, I hope to have some constructive input to such a list.

I would hope that someday this site will have a thread that could be sent to Dave and David that was civil, constructive and well recieved. Right now very little if anything here is presentable.

Right now if any of the Daves came to this site and read it top to bottom, what do you think they would come away with?? Do you think they could or would be able to glean the good ideas our of all the negatvity?? I don't think they would even try after reading the first few threads.

I will do my best to respect those opinions offered here, and will keep trying to tone down the rhetoric. I guess that's all I can do.

OK, who's cookin' Brats and Burgers??

Realistic

Blue 2,
Looking back, it looks like I included you in a gang rape that you really weren't a part of. Alone, your statements would have been taken in their proper context.
Sorry.