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Old 01-16-2019, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand View Post
Really that’s kinda my point.

You can pick. I’ve got thick skin and the sarcasm runs deep in me.

I went to a yoga class today... never been. Thought it was dumb. Yoga... seriously? 9:15 on a Tuesday. I’m gonna go ahead and go back. Because it’s good to stretch and stuff like that.

Deep thoughts.... and yoga pants.
Hmmm. Guys that do yoga:
Navy SEALs
https://navyseals.com/4327/sealfit-s...l-performance/

Boxer Algeiri

NFL linemen

I’m thinking it’s A-okay.

And you’re the only dude in a studio of 30 women.
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Old 01-16-2019, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation View Post
Hmmm. Guys that do yoga:
Navy SEALs
https://navyseals.com/4327/sealfit-s...l-performance/

Boxer Algeiri

NFL linemen

I’m thinking it’s A-okay.

***And you’re the only dude in a studio of 30 women.***
Heard it was a JB sponsored yoga class....
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Old 01-16-2019, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Southerner View Post
And that lack of perspective limits your ability to be happy. There is a lot of research out there about happiness, and keeping perspective is one of the critical components of a happy life. (Your neighbor just got a Tesla. You can either focus on that and let it drag you down, or you can focus on the fact that you live in a really big house in a nice neighborhood as well, for instance.)

That's not to say that we shouldn't strive to improve, so don't go there. We should improve our contract with each negotiation cycle. But it really is important to take a step back every so often and look around and realize how fortunate we are. You're a major airline pilot, earning more than 98% to 99% more than anyone else on the planet. And other people who do make that much work FAR more, and work hard to get there.

You know what, we are not Delta, and you know what else, we are never going to be. Ever. The next negotiation cycle they will get something that we don't get, and if you continue to derive your happiness based upon what others have, you won't ever be happy here. And frankly, you won't be happy there either. You'd be a BlueDriver over there too, because there is always something wrong with any company.
Yeah, no. With NO due respect:

That is some level 13 Malarkey. It is also Olympic level Buffoonery. And it's definitely some Executive level Idiocy. And may possibly even rise to the level of Presidential level Shenanigans!

This is AIRLINE PILOT CENTRAL. This is NOT a Self-Esteem Webinar. This isn't even a Life-Happiness Symposium. Gaining life-accomplishment level self-awarness is NOT why we come here.

I do NOT care what a janitor earns at work (well except for JB's pilot-janitors). I do NOT care what a wheelchair pusher earns at work (well except for JB's pilot-wheelchair pushers). I don't even care what an office filing clerk, construction worker, fast food cook or hotel desk attendant earn. That's not what we come here for. I'm a pilot.

I don't mean to literally say I don't care what other occupations earn, because I do, and I think most of the bottom 80% of employees get a raw deal from their employers, but it's not relevant to MY compensation for MY PROFESSION, and you guessed it, it's NOT what we come here for.

By most standards I live a pretty remarkable life. And I am VERY happy about that. My life is remarkable for MANY reasons, but one of those reasons is the fact that my wife and I absolutely exist in the top .5% (probably even higher) of the world's population in terms of standard of living.

However:

1. My wife and I (and many other major airline pilots) have EARNED that standard of living via DECADES of continuous and incremental self improvement, professional investment, financial investment, education, patience, planning and making strong and fortunate decisions.

2. Reflecting on my standard of living relative to the general population is NOT what we come here for.

This is AIRLINE PILOT CENTRAL. We come here to discuss pilot and airline specific issues and current events relative to pilots and airlines. We also come here to gain a better understanding of our standing relative to OUR PROFESSIONAL PEERS.

We are a younger airline trying to establish our professional compensation and benefits to be in line with our peers. We also happen to be a very profitable company that runs on-average above industry level profit margins. That's great, but we will never achieve actual parity with our peers when Championship level Buffoons like you literally EXPECT to make less. You just said we "are not Delta, and never will be". But when you and a large proportion of our membership go into negotiations already *accepting* and *expecting* less, forever (like you literally said), we will NEVER achive parity. That's criminal mismanagement of expectations.

Just yesterday we had a respected APC member (AYFlyer) who says he likes it at JB say he would be in the first class at DL/UA/AA/FDX! That would NOT happen if JB truly offered a career-value on-par with our peers (JB does NOT, we are substantially behind). And dudes NEVER leave DL/UA/AA/FDX to come to JB.

So you can take your Superbowl level Foolishness and shove it where the sun don't shine (if there's any room left next to your head). This isn't a Life-Coaching Web-meeting. And Life-Coaching is NOT what we come here for. You went full-retard.

You should never go full-retard.

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Old 01-16-2019, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
Yeah, no. With NO due respect:

That is some level 13 Malarkey. It is also Olympic level Buffoonery. And it's definitely some Executive level Idiocy. And may possibly even rise to the level of Presidential level Shenanigans!

This is AIRLINE PILOT CENTRAL. This is NOT a Self-Esteem Webinar. This isn't even a Life-Happiness Symposium. Gaining life-accomplishment level self-awarness is NOT why we come here.

I do NOT care what a janitor earns at work (well except for JB's pilot-janitors). I do NOT care what a wheelchair pusher earns at work (well except for JB's pilot-wheelchair pushers). I don't even care what an office filing clerk, construction worker, fast food cook or hotel desk attendant earn. That's not what we come here for. I'm a pilot.

I don't mean to literally say I don't care what other occupations earn, because I do, and I think most of the bottom 80% of employees get a raw deal from their employers, but it's not relevant to MY compensation for MY PROFESSION, and you guessed it, it's NOT what we come here for.

By most standards I live a pretty remarkable life. And I am VERY happy about that. My life is remarkable for MANY reasons, but one of those reasons is the fact that my wife and I absolutely exist in the top .5% (probably even higher) of the world's population in terms of standard of living.

However:

1. My wife and I (and many other major airline pilots) have EARNED that standard of living via DECADES of continuous and incremental self improvement, professional investment, financial investment, education, patience, planning and making strong and fortunate decisions.

2. Reflecting on my standard of living relative to the general population is NOT what we come here for.

This is AIRLINE PILOT CENTRAL. We come here to discuss pilot and airline specific issues and current events relative to pilots and airlines. We also come here to gain a better understanding of our standing relative to OUR PROFESSIONAL PEERS.

We are a younger airline trying to establish our professional compensation and benefits to be in line with our peers. We also happen to be a very profitable company that runs on-average above industry level profit margins. That's great, but we will never achieve actual parity with our peers when Championship level Buffoons like you literally EXPECT to make less. You just said we "are not Delta, and never will be". But when you and a large proportion of our membership go into negotiations already *accepting* and *expecting* less, forever (like you literally said), we will NEVER achive parity. That's criminal mismanagement of expectations.

Just yesterday we had a respected APC member (AYFlyer) who says he likes it at JB say he would be in the first class at DL/UA/AA/FDX! That would NOT happen if JB truly offered a career-value on-par with our peers (JB does NOT, we are substantially behind). And dudes NEVER leave DL/UA/AA/FDX to come to JB.

So you can take your Superbowl level Foolishness and shove it where the sun don't shine (if there's any room left next to your head). This isn't a Life-Coaching Web-meeting. And Life-Coaching is NOT what we come here for. You went full-retard.

You should never go full-retard.
Well said.


When you feel emotionally invested in something the criticisms have a greater affect on you. Jetblue was built with this in mind.
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Old 01-16-2019, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by benzoate View Post
Well said.


When you feel emotionally invested in something the criticisms have a greater affect on you. Jetblue was built with this in mind.
Yep. CULTure.
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:13 AM
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This question is for someone who was recently hired as a JetBlue FO.

I submitted my application when the current hiring window opened a few days ago. I exceed the minimum experience stated on JetBlue's web site (1500 total time, 500 hours fixed wing, ATP license, First class medical, per FAQ ? JetBlue Pilot Gateway Programs ) but I suspect my experience numbers might still be too low to get an interview invitation.

It would be helpful to hear what hours were sufficient for a few people who were recently hired as an FO. I am wondering if there might be an unstated requirement for part 121 time (I have none) or turbine time (I have 100 hours in a Cessna Caravan - not sure if that would be sufficient.)

If I haven't a chance of getting hired as an FO until I have a certain amount of experience, it would be great to know what that is.

In case it helps tailor your advice, here's my experience: I have my ATP, 3000 PIC (almost all in ASEL), 65 multi, 1000 dual given, and a bachelor degree. And I live about one hour's drive from JFK.

Thanks for your help!

P.S. I hope this isn't a duplicate request to info that has already been posted by recent hires in some other thread. If so, just direct me there.
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:18 AM
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Recent CJO...
7000tt
6000turbine
Almost 1000tpic

That was around average for my interview session.
Many non-121 types, but they all flew jet aircraft for 91/135 and had thousands of hours.
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:00 AM
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I was 4500TT, 3000 Turbine (all 121), 700 Turbine PIC when I was hired in 2017 and was on the low end for people interviewing.
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ComanchePilot View Post
This question is for someone who was recently hired as a JetBlue FO.

I submitted my application when the current hiring window opened a few days ago. I exceed the minimum experience stated on JetBlue's web site (1500 total time, 500 hours fixed wing, ATP license, First class medical, per FAQ ? JetBlue Pilot Gateway Programs ) but I suspect my experience numbers might still be too low to get an interview invitation.

It would be helpful to hear what hours were sufficient for a few people who were recently hired as an FO. I am wondering if there might be an unstated requirement for part 121 time (I have none) or turbine time (I have 100 hours in a Cessna Caravan - not sure if that would be sufficient.)

If I haven't a chance of getting hired as an FO until I have a certain amount of experience, it would be great to know what that is.

In case it helps tailor your advice, here's my experience: I have my ATP, 3000 PIC (almost all in ASEL), 65 multi, 1000 dual given, and a bachelor degree. And I live about one hour's drive from JFK.

Thanks for your help!

P.S. I hope this isn't a duplicate request to info that has already been posted by recent hires in some other thread. If so, just direct me there.
If you want to get hired by a major you need to go to a regional to get jet time.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer View Post
If you want to get hired by a major you need to go to a regional to get jet time.
Especially the multi-engine time that he is devoid of.
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