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04-07-2019, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
No.
It’s either a limitation or it’s not.
The limitation for TO is the oil temp.
Those times on the bus are not limitations
It’s either a limitation or it’s not.
The limitation for TO is the oil temp.
Those times on the bus are not limitations
04-07-2019, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
Another one that seems to get ignored sometimes (short taxi) is the 3 minute cool-down after landing. (If more than idle reverse thrust is used on landing, clock doesn't start until reverse thrust is back at idle; otherwise clock starts when thrust levers are at idle during the flare).
While neither of these time periods can be found in chapter two, it is my opinion that they are still limitations, and I treat them as such whenever practical.
While neither of these time periods can be found in chapter two, it is my opinion that they are still limitations, and I treat them as such whenever practical.
04-07-2019, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
No.
It’s either a limitation or it’s not.
The limitation for TO is the oil temp.
Those times on the bus are not limitations.
Also stop telling people not to reapply.
You could cost someone a job.
It’s either a limitation or it’s not.
The limitation for TO is the oil temp.
Those times on the bus are not limitations.
Also stop telling people not to reapply.
You could cost someone a job.
04-07-2019, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
It's not an aircraft limitation. But, which SOP specifically, allows you to violate prescribed SOP (outside of an emergency)?
That would be a deciding factor in if it must be followed.
Example: Method 2 for Airbus guys states, the PF should put in the points Associated with M2. Since it says “should” you don’t have to do it. It’s only a recommendation.
04-07-2019, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
It's not an aircraft limitation. But, which SOP specifically, allows you to violate prescribed SOP (outside of an emergency)?
Should, will, may, must.
Some things you will do. Others you should do but may not have to.
How’s it written??
Last edited by CaptCoolHand; 04-07-2019 at 02:03 PM.
04-07-2019, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
How long would it take to hold BOS at American? In recent history it seems like AA hasn’t made Boston a priority, wouldn’t be surprised to see them axe it. Eagle had a BOS base roughly 10 years ago and got rid of it...Doug Parker did the same with US Airways not too long ago either. I see a lot of PHL, NYC and CLT commuters around Logan, at least there’s a lot of frequency on those commutes.
04-07-2019, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
Correct. And I believe temps outside of the limitations trigger an ECAM when then "T/O config test is pushed."
Exactly, oil temp ecam can’t be present for takeoff obviously. No other warm up temp limit. Cool down is also recommended. On the NEO it is required.
04-07-2019, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
Just like cleaning your seat.
Should, will, may, must.
Some things you will do. Others you should do but may not have to.
How’s it written??
Should, will, may, must.
Some things you will do. Others you should do but may not have to.
How’s it written??
04-07-2019, 03:49 PM
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With as many fume events as JB has (59 in March), and the inherently high oil pressure of the bus, I don’t know why anyone would not adequately warm up the oil/motor before pushing the throttles up. Probably the same type of person who wouldn’t write up dirty socks smell or dismisses it as not a big deal.
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