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Old 08-26-2005, 12:37 AM   #1  
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Default SWA headed for Chap. 11

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/48/17/

Well, I guess using B6 logic the new increased SWA pilot rates will send them into Chap. 11. So I wonder what their 190 rates would look like on a per seat basis.

Oh, good thing they decided to hedge fuel....what a lucky move.

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Old 08-26-2005, 06:59 PM   #2  
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That web page is ancient history.
You need to get right headed and start thinking about a more reasonable future.
Pilots have always had unrealistic expectations and it's high time we all just accepted the new world order.
Airplanes are fun! Flight attendants are fun! Uniforms are cool! It's feels great to be young and type rated!
You'll be much happier if you just stop talking about the past.
 
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That web page is ancient history.
Actually, the link I followed was current and even reflected the new SWA pay rates effective 9/1/05.

Hard to believe that some airlines are actually following through on their contractural pay raises instead of asking for concessions, huh? Probably won't last forever but we'll take what we get while the gettin's good and be ready to talk when the contract's over next year.
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corl.... ur weaksauce.... show me the money~!
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Well, I guess using B6 logic the new increased SWA pilot rates will send them into Chap. 11. So I wonder what their 190 rates would look like on a per seat basis.
Oh, good thing they decided to hedge fuel....what a lucky move.
190 rates? We decided against the B pay scale long ago.

Lucky? Gary Kelley is a brilliant leader.

A pilot asked Gary if the pilot group should vote on forgoing our Sep 1 contractual raise. His relpy was that he had no intention to ask for concessions and that he felt we earned our raise.

I'm just happy to be on the greener side of the fence.

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Default sarcasm?

You know I don't agree with 2 Blue, but I did read his post as being sarcasm which seems to have been missed by other poster.
 
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Mine was 100% sarcasm. SWA pay rates are real enough.
 
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What's not to agree about?
 
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I guess it's not really fair to say that I don't agree since I really don't know your opinion. I just got the vibe you were pushing for a pay increase and even though I would love one I don't think right now is the time to take it. Attending the pocket session yesterday I get the impression we will be hard pressed to even turn a profit next quarter. If we do and its sizeable well then just call me a sucker but I just don't see it.
We are on the right track with recent fare increases but we have a way to go to be able to afford any pay raises. I"m happy to keep what I have until I see a couple of very profitable quarters and things going in the right direction. Then give me the raise.
 
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I guess it's not really fair to say that I don't agree since I really don't know your opinion. I just got the vibe you were pushing for a pay increase and even though I would love one I don't think right now is the time to take it. Attending the pocket session yesterday I get the impression we will be hard pressed to even turn a profit next quarter. If we do and its sizeable well then just call me a sucker but I just don't see it.
We are on the right track with recent fare increases but we have a way to go to be able to afford any pay raises. I"m happy to keep what I have until I see a couple of very profitable quarters and things going in the right direction. Then give me the raise.

Don't count on it. Remember, we had 4 quarters in 2002, no pay raise (over 16% profit margin), 4 quarters in 2003 and no pay raise (over 17% profit margin), 4 quarters in 2004 with no pay raise (over 10% profit margin). 2002 and 2003 were record setting years and no raise or cost of living adjustment. Remember you are not keeping what you have. You are losing 2-4% per year based on inflation. (lost almost 10% of our buying power since the fall of 2001 due to inflation).

Why can't they increase the ticket prices just one [email protected]#$%^& US dollar and give us all a 2.5%pay raise for inflation. We can raise the ticket price for fuel, but not for employee expenses. Well, its all about the company. Long live the company. Let the employees be damned.

Just my opinion.....

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