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Old 02-02-2021, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman View Post
Well stated. Thanks.
cant we do both?
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Old 02-02-2021, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by antbar01 View Post
. If the TA is rejected, I would urge pilots to seek improvements in language that secure jobs, rather than carrots. These cost the company little and are of huge impact on us.

My 2¢.
To Softpay, no, not entirely well stated. Why does it have to be one OR the other. IF we are to give any relief, it should be well compensated.

And... it will be very difficult to ever get this industry standard benefit called Profit Sharing from a company so emotionally attached to not sharing. It's MUCH more difficult to get PS when you don't have something the company wants from you as a group. That's just reality.

To antbar, I generally agree with your post, right up until the end. IF any part of the scope is to be relaxed to allow this codeshare, it should come with great compensation to address the monetary value of the codeshare/scope and to compensate for the additional risk pilots take on from the scope changes.

Ha, Payne beat me to it.
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Old 02-02-2021, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post
That’s actually a good question. My wife quit that group a while back.

I’m curious to see what they are saying...


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Wife says it’s mostly No’s. About 80/20
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Old 02-02-2021, 03:10 PM
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Another MEC email sent out....
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Old 02-02-2021, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
Another MEC email sent out....

Another emotional email.

Send it back. Get better protections. Leave out the focus city garbage and international code that is within our aircrafts ability.


If Jetblue is the one gaining all this flying and it’s American that wants to put their code on all our airplanes then this should be a no brainer for them.

I don’t care if we put code on an American 777 to Israel or the UAE. They shouldn’t however have the ability to put B6 code on routes we are capable of flying ourselves.


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Old 02-02-2021, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins View Post
Wife says it’s mostly No’s. About 80/20

If that’s the case this thing is DOA. The wives page is notoriously pro company.


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Old 02-02-2021, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
To Softpay, no, not entirely well stated. Why does it have to be one OR the other. IF we are to give any relief, it should be well compensated.

And... it will be very difficult to ever get this industry standard benefit called Profit Sharing from a company so emotionally attached to not sharing. It's MUCH more difficult to get PS when you don't have something the company wants from you as a group. That's just reality.

To antbar, I generally agree with your post, right up until the end. IF any part of the scope is to be relaxed to allow this codeshare, it should come with great compensation to address the monetary value of the codeshare/scope and to compensate for the additional risk pilots take on from the scope changes.

Ha, Payne beat me to it.
Exactly. Everyone knew we wanted scope the union will even tell you we took less in other areas to keep it. So any change to it better be one heck of a deal. FYI we have the leverage here again WE have what THEY want.
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Old 02-02-2021, 04:56 PM
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Thank you to seekingblue for sharing your yes arguments. I am trying my best to keep an open mind.

That being said, the LOA allows for 35% of of flying (focus to focus, focus to Caribbean) to be outsourced to an AA regional (or to a post bankruptcy mainline). The union and the company claims that this will not happen. Thank you. Would you kindly put that in writing?

I love Jetblue and want the best for the company. Often times our interests our aligned. Sometimes not. This is just a business relationship. Nothing personal. 7 (or 11) years is a long time. I’m getting old.
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Old 02-02-2021, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post
Another emotional email.

Send it back. Get better protections. Leave out the focus city garbage and international code that is within our aircrafts ability.


If Jetblue is the one gaining all this flying and it’s American that wants to put their code on all our airplanes then this should be a no brainer for them.

I don’t care if we put code on an American 777 to Israel or the UAE. They shouldn’t however have the ability to put B6 code on routes we are capable of flying ourselves.


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This was an outstanding post. Could not have said it any better!
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Old 02-02-2021, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post
Another emotional email.

Send it back. Get better protections. Leave out the focus city garbage and international code that is within our aircrafts ability.


If Jetblue is the one gaining all this flying and it’s American that wants to put their code on all our airplanes then this should be a no brainer for them.

I don’t care if we put code on an American 777 to Israel or the UAE. They shouldn’t however have the ability to put B6 code on routes we are capable of flying ourselves.


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What he said


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