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08-01-2022, 04:29 PM

#12791

nuball5

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Joined APC: Aug 2007

Posts: 2,001

Pleasantly surprised. I thought they were going to take MCO into the slaughterhouse.

08-01-2022, 04:33 PM

#12792

RJDriver900

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Joined APC: Dec 2019

Posts: 318

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyby1206

Net staffing change for 2023:
+14 BOS 320 CA
+25 BOS 320 SQ CA
+6 EWR 320 CA
+19 FLL 320 CA
+31 JFK 320 CA
+21 JFK 320 SQ CA
+3 LAX 320 CA
+53 MCO 320 CA
+108 BOS 223 CA
+7 BOS 190 CA
+7 JFK 190 CA
-59 MCO 190 CA

Any chance of doing this for the FO side?

08-01-2022, 04:36 PM

#12793

BeatNavy

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Joined APC: Jun 2015

Posts: 3,001

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJDriver900

Any chance of doing this for the FO side?

Not sure where he got his numbers. Mine are a little different. Take the December 12/2/2022 effective date and paste it into a spreadsheet. Then do the same for December 12/2023. Then subtract 12/2022 target pilots column from 12/2023 and that yields the net change from the previous last effective date on the last bid. That is your net change.

08-01-2022, 04:37 PM

#12794

goose15

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Joined APC: Jan 2015

Posts: 122

Quote:

Originally Posted by YellowBusMarine

NK guy here, please educate me. Is this annual bid the only time you can move bases via bid? NK does monthly bids, so you could theoretically move every month if you wanted to.

No, it’s not the only way for you to move bases. We also run monthly base trades, which only works out if there is a match in the system and you’ve got to obey by a few rules. For example, you must not have a pending award; must not require special qualification (SQ flying)…

With that being said, if you want to change equipment and/or upgrade/downgrade, you have to bid in this annual system bid or at a supplemental bid (company decides if/when to run). Lots of us aren’t big fans of this system, myself included. Much rather our older system in which we would run bids every quarter. Hope that helps.

08-01-2022, 04:38 PM

#12795

Flyby1206

SDQ Base Chief

Joined APC: Mar 2006

Position: 320 CA

Posts: 5,588

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

Yeah I didn't get that fancy, I just looked at the 4/30/23 effective date (no vacancies) and compared it to the last effective date. Im not sure how there would be any change to the target pilot number from 12/2022 to 4/2023? Maybe expected returns from LOA?

08-01-2022, 04:45 PM

#12796

goose15

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Joined APC: Jan 2015

Posts: 122

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuball5

Pleasantly surprised. I thought they were going to take MCO into the slaughterhouse.

Same here. It’s almost like they are just transferring the number of pilots from the 190 to 320 in MCO. It’s definitely not growing but not getting chopped either.

08-01-2022, 04:53 PM

#12797

BeatNavy

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Posts: 3,001

5,242 target active pilots by 12/2023 with 386 inactive pilots by then (as of today), for a total seniority list of 5,628 by end of next year. There are almost 4,600 today. So, 1,000 net gain in the next 17 months is what this bid allows for.

08-01-2022, 06:04 PM

#12798

disenchantMINT

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Joined APC: Jan 2019

Posts: 357

Quote:

Originally Posted by YellowBusMarine

NK guy here, please educate me. Is this annual bid the only time you can move bases via bid? NK does monthly bids, so you could theoretically move every month if you wanted to.

JetBlue has three fleets, so often a seat change results in a training event. Unlike having a single fleet airline where you can bop around the system without any training required. You can theoretically bid base changes on each effective date within the bid. Or do mutual base trades throughout the year. The annual bid sets up for the annual vacation bid the following month. I don't think it's a particularly oddball bid process in the industry. Having a single fleet and monthly bids is the outlier.

08-01-2022, 06:06 PM

#12799

DocVoliday

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Joined APC: Nov 2019

Posts: 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyby1206

This obviously shows CA movement and projections but let’s say hypothetically as a new hire coming in, what could one glean from this information on potential bidding and/or pitfalls? If you were starting day one where would you want to be as a new hire based on these numbers and what’s coming?