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Old 08-15-2022, 10:43 AM
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Quarterly base trade language works fairly well. You lose your vac however it doesn’t just disappear. It drops into vac opentime around the time of the award posting. This creates the ability to set alerts for desirable vac periods throughout the year. Generally speaking you can get a desirable period at some point as pilots trade around the system. It’s rare I finish a year with the same vacation periods I was awarded.
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Old 08-15-2022, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker View Post
Quarterly base trade language works fairly well. You lose your vac however it doesn’t just disappear. It drops into vac opentime around the time of the award posting. This creates the ability to set alerts for desirable vac periods throughout the year. Generally speaking you can get a desirable period at some point as pilots trade around the system. It’s rare I finish a year with the same vacation periods I was awarded.
At JB the vacation period drops into open time at 02:56am and at 02:56:01 someone's BOT picks it up while the BOT's master sleeps soundly.
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Old 08-15-2022, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
Nonsense. Between now and the end of 2027 Spirit has orders for over 100 A320 series aircraft.



B6 has orders for about 80 more A 220s and at least 40 more 320 series aircraft. Granted, some of the B6 aircraft are E-190 and older 320 replacements and some of the NK aircraft will likely replace elderly 319s, but that is still a lot of growth. There WILL BE a lot of new positions opening up in a lot of (for B6) new bases. Every pilot slot that gets filled voluntarily is one more that doesn’t have to be filled by displacement which is far more costly to the company than running a bid.

Just letting people go where they want when they are in fact needed there anyway is the cheapest way to handle things. As far as vacations, so what? It’s a voluntary move. If the person wants it bad enough they can either take what is left this cycle at their new base or just take the money and wait for next year.
And the company still has the option for this:
--> supplemental bid whenever they want

Just telling what the reason was behind the annual bidding. Not that I agree with it, it could be improved. I must say, I did benefit from this setup though. Got my annual bid results, a month later I bid for vacation. Several months later, supplemental bid came out and I bid for something else and kept my vacation.
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Old 08-15-2022, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bgood View Post
And the company still has the option for this:
--> supplemental bid whenever they want

Just telling what the reason was behind the annual bidding. Not that I agree with it, it could be improved. I must say, I did benefit from this setup though. Got my annual bid results, a month later I bid for vacation. Several months later, supplemental bid came out and I bid for something else and kept my vacation.
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Old 08-17-2022, 10:46 PM
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Seems like a simple solution is sort of in our contract already, just needs a little tweak on the verbiage. Keep the annual bid, keep your vacation. All "UNFILLED" vacancies should be treated as such. If there are "NEW" vacancies then there is a need to run a supplemental bid. Otherwise, "UNFILLED" vacancies should be subject to those qualified (seat lock etc.) that have a standing bid submitted in seniority order. There should be no reason that a junior person should be assigned a base or seat ahead of someone else that has bid for it. Of course, you will lose your assigned vacation, but that's your choice.
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Old 08-18-2022, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by RamRod View Post
Seems like a simple solution is sort of in our contract already, just needs a little tweak on the verbiage. Keep the annual bid, keep your vacation. All "UNFILLED" vacancies should be treated as such. If there are "NEW" vacancies then there is a need to run a supplemental bid. Otherwise, "UNFILLED" vacancies should be subject to those qualified (seat lock etc.) that have a standing bid submitted in seniority order. There should be no reason that a junior person should be assigned a base or seat ahead of someone else that has bid for it. Of course, you will lose your assigned vacation, but that's your choice.
Outside looking in but it appears that jetBlue has found the most complicated way possible to handle vacancies. The more that I look into your operation the less I'm liking our future.
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Old 08-18-2022, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Macjet View Post
Outside looking in but it appears that jetBlue has found the most complicated way possible to handle vacancies. The more that I look into your operation the less I'm liking our future.
You have no idea man. You’ll get a nice pay raise and hopefully a solid JCBA, but all this other stupid sh!t will make your head spin.
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Old 08-21-2022, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins View Post
You have no idea man. You’ll get a nice pay raise and hopefully a solid JCBA, but all this other stupid sh!t will make your head spin.
Given the two options I'll take B6 any day of the week and twice on Sunday over F9. That said, I hope the details of the B6 operation aren't nearly as bad the FL350 view.
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Old 08-23-2022, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RamRod View Post
Seems like a simple solution is sort of in our contract already, just needs a little tweak on the verbiage. Keep the annual bid, keep your vacation. All "UNFILLED" vacancies should be treated as such. If there are "NEW" vacancies then there is a need to run a supplemental bid. Otherwise, "UNFILLED" vacancies should be subject to those qualified (seat lock etc.) that have a standing bid submitted in seniority order. There should be no reason that a junior person should be assigned a base or seat ahead of someone else that has bid for it. Of course, you will lose your assigned vacation, but that's your choice.
Found my pw for my account just to reply to this. I filed a grievance with the union because new hires junior to me were being awarded a base that I had a standing bid for. The grievance rep basically came back and said I didn't have a case because the CBA allows new hires to bid in seniority order for vacancies. I told him great, I agree, that language is under system bid so why wasn't their a system bid or supplemental system bid ran for those vacancies. He replied back going well we can't expect them to run a system bid every time there's a new hire class. These guys are completely worthless and it's our own fault.
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Old 08-23-2022, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bouncedlolsweg View Post
Found my pw for my account just to reply to this. I filed a grievance with the union because new hires junior to me were being awarded a base that I had a standing bid for. The grievance rep basically came back and said I didn't have a case because the CBA allows new hires to bid in seniority order for vacancies. I told him great, I agree, that language is under system bid so why wasn't their a system bid or supplemental system bid ran for those vacancies. He replied back going well we can't expect them to run a system bid every time there's a new hire class. These guys are completely worthless and it's our own fault.
This is precisely why the monthly vacancy bid makes sense.

If you value your vacation more than a base move, wait.

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