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Old 10-28-2022, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt View Post
JetBlue is an odd creature (but you knew that.) The top X percent have been there essentially since new hires. They are fiercely protective over whatís theirs (two sandwich club) and are reluctant to give it up. As youíve said, itís the same folks who bid what they want and get it. They they drop it all as desired via trade board, followed by VDA. Or VDA over a trip and then double dip. Every month, every year. With exception of the outliers (FO and recently the 190 fleet) it doesnít change. Iíd imagine If you could look up who credits 150+ a month, youíd see 75% of them are the same
month over month. Look deeper and itís the same for years.

At present, I donít fault them. Itís seniority which isnít a new concept. Itís also a union who negotiated for it and the pilot group who ratified it. Doesnít mean it canít be a survey item which becomes a contract ask in the future. Right off the bat though, youíve got 1000 pilots who will vote no on it.
I would love to see what Spirit has for a premium time / VDA equivalent. Might be easier to pass if they have a bucket system like I mentioned. Agreed it would be an uphill battle with our current group.
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Old 10-28-2022, 12:55 PM
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I don't know if it would be so hard, it's a pretty small group who really benefit from the VDA system.
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Old 10-29-2022, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450 View Post
This is why we need an overhaul of the VDA system. The same 5-10 pilots in every base/seat shouldnít get all the VDA all the time. I havenít confirmed it but Iíve heard some carriers do it differently and more evenly spread around. It was described to me as a bucket system once youíve had a VDA you move to the 1 VDA for the month bucket, once a 2nd VDA call the 2 VDA bucket and do on. Hence it spreads the VDAís across more of the seniority. Correct me if Iím wrong but itís kind of BS that 5 pilots in every base/seat credit 150hrs plus per month, while the rest of us get a call every 3 months or so.
150 lol 😂.
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Old 10-29-2022, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
I don't know if it would be so hard, it's a pretty small group who really benefit from the VDA system.
Iím hoping Spirit brings a fresh perspective to completely overhauling our VDA/open-time/reserve system we have. The reserve grid is an abomination, the company rarely (if ever) uses global open time, and the same small percentage get fat on VDA.
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Old 10-29-2022, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman View Post
150 lol 😂.
I know right. 150 is the bare minimum for some of these guys. Apparently there was an FO who credited over 400. Flew with a captain who saw the paystubÖdonít even know how thatís possible. But some of these guys do 200+ on the regular.
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Old 10-29-2022, 10:26 AM
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150 ainít that hard in the right base with some seniority under your belt. A little tougher in a month like October.
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Old 10-29-2022, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins View Post
Iím hoping Spirit brings a fresh perspective to completely overhauling our VDA/open-time/reserve system we have. The reserve grid is an abomination, the company rarely (if ever) uses global open time, and the same small percentage get fat on VDA.
I fully agree and yes your right 200 hr checks are the regular for this crowd.
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Old 10-29-2022, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins View Post
Iím hoping Spirit brings a fresh perspective to completely overhauling our VDA/open-time/reserve system we have. The reserve grid is an abomination, the company rarely (if ever) uses global open time, and the same small percentage get fat on VDA.
I just hope spirit brings balls to the union and NC Öthatíll fix most of the problems by itself
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Old 10-29-2022, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins View Post
Iím hoping Spirit brings a fresh perspective to completely overhauling our VDA/open-time/reserve system we have. The reserve grid is an abomination, the company rarely (if ever) uses global open time, and the same small percentage get fat on VDA.
That's a Big Bingo.
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Old 10-29-2022, 01:48 PM
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Can anyone explain how VDA works? Thx
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