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11-10-2016, 06:15 AM
#1771
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
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I flew with someone today whose is waiting on a class date at a legacy and has an interview at JetBlue...JetBlue is located close to where they want to live, but we were crunching #s and the difference in pay, ps, and retirement contributions are going to make it real hard for them to turn down the legacy...
11-10-2016, 07:22 AM
#1772
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 287
Originally Posted by Otterbox
I flew with someone today whose is waiting on a class date at a legacy and has an interview at JetBlue...JetBlue is located close to where they want to live, but we were crunching #s and the difference in pay, ps, and retirement contributions are going to make it real hard for them to turn down the legacy...
11-10-2016, 07:26 AM
#1773
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 147
Originally Posted by Otterbox
I flew with someone today whose is waiting on a class date at a legacy and has an interview at JetBlue...JetBlue is located close to where they want to live, but we were crunching #s and the difference in pay, ps, and retirement contributions are going to make it real hard for them to turn down the legacy...
11-10-2016, 07:45 AM
#1775
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,879
Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
Just from a numbers standpoint, I don't think JB can afford to dilly dally.
We are down to a fraction of the apps we used to receive, and 0-3rd yr attrition is on the rise. Most guys in the 25-40yr old bracket stand to make more and have better QOL at one of the big4. (I know everyone is different I'm painting with a large brush)
We have growth plans, but if you can't fill seats to fly them whats the point in taking aircraft orders? With AA, UA, and DAL hiring hundreds or thousands every year the pot to pick from is going to go fast and we are not attractive to a new hire right now under our current compensation package. If you make it to the 3year point you'll probably stay. But I have flown with about 2 guys in recent memory that don't have plans to try and go to another airline if they can, and I'm flying with the 1-2yr guys the most.
I've heard it from the CPO, and recruiting, we have an attraction and retention problem that needs to be addressed and shiny new planes and fast up grades aren't the answer like it was in 2006. WE're a necessary cost of business and the cost just wen't sky high... pun intended.
At some point training and retraining bodies for the same seat will become cost prohibitive or time prohibitive... which costs.
just my opinion on the matter, but I think this will move forward faster than many expect. No, I don't have a time frame, and maybe it's wishful thinking but that's my logic.
We are down to a fraction of the apps we used to receive, and 0-3rd yr attrition is on the rise. Most guys in the 25-40yr old bracket stand to make more and have better QOL at one of the big4. (I know everyone is different I'm painting with a large brush)
We have growth plans, but if you can't fill seats to fly them whats the point in taking aircraft orders? With AA, UA, and DAL hiring hundreds or thousands every year the pot to pick from is going to go fast and we are not attractive to a new hire right now under our current compensation package. If you make it to the 3year point you'll probably stay. But I have flown with about 2 guys in recent memory that don't have plans to try and go to another airline if they can, and I'm flying with the 1-2yr guys the most.
I've heard it from the CPO, and recruiting, we have an attraction and retention problem that needs to be addressed and shiny new planes and fast up grades aren't the answer like it was in 2006. WE're a necessary cost of business and the cost just wen't sky high... pun intended.
At some point training and retraining bodies for the same seat will become cost prohibitive or time prohibitive... which costs.
just my opinion on the matter, but I think this will move forward faster than many expect. No, I don't have a time frame, and maybe it's wishful thinking but that's my logic.
Hope you are right, still not seeing them take action or indicate to wall street that their expenses are going up soon.....
11-10-2016, 07:58 AM
#1778
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 917
Originally Posted by dontcare4U
Thanks, capt. I figured with the new planes arriving it would've been lower.
11-10-2016, 08:01 AM
#1779
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,583
Originally Posted by dontcare4U
Thanks, capt. I figured with the new planes arriving it would've been lower.
11-10-2016, 08:18 AM
#1780
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
Posts: 3,150
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I think you are correct about all. I'm just skeptical that management understands or will respond correctly. They can be very stubborn. I watched my previous airline pay millions in penalties to mainline for canceled flights due to pilot attrition, yet they still wouldn't settle our contract, which was the cause of the attrition.
Hope you are right, still not seeing them take action or indicate to wall street that their expenses are going up soon.....
Hope you are right, still not seeing them take action or indicate to wall street that their expenses are going up soon.....
Thats what I got. Hope and an educated guess.
Honestly it won't take too much writing on the wall and every one with their eyes open will have an app in at DAL UAL or AA...
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