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Old 01-18-2017, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Rascal View Post
What your are saying is that JetBlue pilots are second tier and you are fine with that?
^This, dead on.
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Old 01-18-2017, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
Great job Bubba and Tomahawk.

Our contract won't equal our peers.

We don't know when we will get this substandard contract.

Management is 3 steps ahead of us.

And if you keep helping management recruit and retain pilots, they can delay our substandard contract even longer.

There's some brotherhood and unity for ya.
^and this.
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Old 01-18-2017, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
However, pattern bargaining would require us to look at contract recency and industry trends as well. Alaska may be a peer, but their contract is very old and will be up for renegotiation soon in a very different industry landscape.

So not nearly as relevant as more recently signed contracts.

SWA, AA, UAL, DL, UPS and FedEx are more appropriate benchmarks for a new contract.
Alaska rates are lagging but every other page is not from the dark ages. They do have some good stuff
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Old 01-19-2017, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork View Post
Alaska rates are lagging but every other page is not from the dark ages. They do have some good stuff
Their scope sucks and retirement is low by current contract standards.
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:03 AM
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Fellas,

We're working of zero, zip, nathan, nada. We don't have a concessionary contract, no peer set negotiated, no retirement nor healthcare. Every time a section comes to agreement the quill dips into the ink well.

This is the messy end of our CBA process. DAL, UAL, AA and SWA (the closest "peer set") are excellent examples of the baseline contracts to which we should hope to achieve. The good thing is that jetblue management knows that and so does the NC.

Every time I look at my ALPA dues and think that theres no contract I cringe. However, my pessimism is turning to optimism as we go forward with the negotiations. I think that there will be a CBA presented to the voting group in 2017. It may not be ratified until 2018 but its going to be happening.

-Bubs
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
Their scope sucks and retirement is low by current contract standards.
The structure of the retirement section is fine. The number on top is out of date.

That is what I'm referring too. For instance while on LTD the company continues to fund a pilot's retirement with X%.

The structure is the the company funds a LTD pilots retirement. The X% may need to be updated.

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Old 01-19-2017, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba View Post
Fellas,

We're working of zero, zip, nathan, nada. We don't have a concessionary contract, no peer set negotiated, no retirement nor healthcare. Every time a section comes to agreement the quill dips into the ink well.

This is the messy end of our CBA process. DAL, UAL, AA and SWA (the closest "peer set") are excellent examples of the baseline contracts to which we should hope to achieve. The good thing is that jetblue management knows that and so does the NC.

Every time I look at my ALPA dues and think that theres no contract I cringe. However, my pessimism is turning to optimism as we go forward with the negotiations. I think that there will be a CBA presented to the voting group in 2017. It may not be ratified until 2018 but its going to be happening.

-Bubs
Looks like you have an overall optimistic view towards '17. Has anything changed your outlook? I thought your were more of a glass 1/2 empty guy. The last negotiations email was encouraging saying that they're picking up their pace and adding negotiating sessions.
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Old 01-19-2017, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba View Post
Fellas,

We're working of zero, zip, nathan, nada. We don't have a concessionary contract, no peer set negotiated, no retirement nor healthcare. Every time a section comes to agreement the quill dips into the ink well.

This is the messy end of our CBA process. DAL, UAL, AA and SWA (the closest "peer set") are excellent examples of the baseline contracts to which we should hope to achieve. The good thing is that jetblue management knows that and so does the NC.

Every time I look at my ALPA dues and think that theres no contract I cringe. However, my pessimism is turning to optimism as we go forward with the negotiations. I think that there will be a CBA presented to the voting group in 2017. It may not be ratified until 2018 but its going to be happening.

-Bubs
Based on what?
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Old 01-19-2017, 07:35 PM
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Hope and good news tomorrow.
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Old 01-20-2017, 09:46 AM
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So what's the deal with our hotel situation in SFO? Almost 21 hrs and its showing the Aloft? I thought we left the Aloft? How long does the layover have to be in order to be downtown?

This is getting ridiculous!
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