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Old 09-22-2017, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Cloud5urfer View Post
Something to keep in mind with aircraft deliveries...

Right now as we're taking deliveries of new aircraft, others will be going offline for the cabin refit. So the staffing will be slower until the refits are done.

Also, we're obviously still hiring and growing. Lots of classes scheduled this fall to my knowledge.

Will the application window be opening again soon?
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Old 09-22-2017, 10:10 AM
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I honestly think that the plan all along was to drag this out until another downturn in the economy comes along and cry that there are difficult times ahead. Blah blah blah. Hope I'm wrong but it's a lot of money on the table.

Think of all those 10 hour 3 days that will have to pay 15+ hours now. 😂
They won't exist in the current form. It'll force the company to create more productive pairings than a 2 leg, 3 day trip.
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Old 09-22-2017, 10:14 AM
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They won't exist in the current form. It'll force the company to create more productive pairings than a 2 leg, 3 day trip.
Or I'm fine getting paid 15-18 hours to go sit on the beach for 30 hours haha
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Old 09-22-2017, 11:31 AM
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Because they have to eventually settle on a plan for the future of this airline. I don't think they can come up with one without knowing the details of the CBA. Wall Street will begin to lose patience.


Agreed. And the company needs to know predictable costs before it can make long-term plans.
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Old 09-22-2017, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800 View Post
They won't exist in the current form. It'll force the company to create more productive pairings than a 2 leg, 3 day trip.
Not sure if it's possible with the route structure combined with the marketability of red eyes.

I'd rather just get more money via rig than some super duper productive pairing. I'd rather be making money relaxing at the hotel/beach than sitting 18 hours in a jet over 2 days.
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Old 09-22-2017, 12:19 PM
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Not sure if it's possible with the route structure combined with the marketability of red eyes.

I'd rather just get more money via rig than some super duper productive pairing. I'd rather be making money relaxing at the hotel/beach than sitting 18 hours in a jet over 2 days.
Oh yeah I completely agree. I just don't see the company wanting to pay 15 hours for two legs. But if they have no choice so be it. Sign me up.
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Old 09-22-2017, 12:24 PM
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The company will manipulate the pairings once a new rig has been agreed. It will certainly be more in the favor of the pilots compared with today's way, but the pairings will be built to optimize cost with efficiency. So it won't be a windfall or all 15-18 hour 2 leg AUA's.

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Old 09-22-2017, 12:27 PM
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The other thing that concerns me is that the stock price continues to sink while we make money. I agree that long term plans involve costs and the CBA is a big part of that. However, a low stock price and maybe put in some cry me a river about the weather and atc wowes and now there's fodder for negotiations in the CBA or reasoning for a sale. Any other company having problems competing? Hurricane problems? I'll answer my own question. UAL.

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Old 09-22-2017, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87 View Post
I honestly think that the plan all along was to drag this out until another downturn in the economy comes along and cry that there are difficult times ahead. Blah blah blah. Hope I'm wrong but it's a lot of money on the table.

Think of all those 10 hour 3 days that will have to pay 15+ hours now. 😂
I think we may be on the precipice of this occurring. I hate to use tragedy as a talking point, but with the Caribbean being wiped out, they certainly have their sticking point of "we're losing money, we can't pay you." Especially if TJSJ is down for awhile, we have a ton of revenue thats at stake
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:09 PM
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I think we may be on the precipice of this occurring. I hate to use tragedy as a talking point, but with the Caribbean being wiped out, they certainly have their sticking point of "we're losing money, we can't pay you." Especially if TJSJ is down for awhile, we have a ton of revenue thats at stake

1.2 billion pre-tax income in 2016..........We are not being greedy. Fair and equitable.......
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