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02-15-2018, 10:14 AM
#5681
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by hyperboy
Sorry forgot a word.
Everything is a cost in negotiations. If we NOT are talking about things that increase our compensation, then it's wasting our time.
When we have a CBA I am voting on the pillars and a market rate. I am not voting NO just because I don't get MINT seating.
Everything is a cost in negotiations. If we NOT are talking about things that increase our compensation, then it's wasting our time.
When we have a CBA I am voting on the pillars and a market rate. I am not voting NO just because I don't get MINT seating.
You got the missing word in there this time. Not in the right place though. And still makes a poor argument.
02-15-2018, 10:15 AM
#5682
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: B6
Posts: 1,047
Originally Posted by hyperboy
Everything is a cost in negotiations. If we are talking about things that increase our compensation, then it's wasting our time. IMHO
Originally Posted by rvr1800
Come on man this makes no sense at all. I’m sure others can think of some simple QOL examples that don’t increase our compensation that should absolutely be in a contract.
We already named the deadheading stuff.
How about check in via the jetcrew app? That’s ridiculous and has to go away.
How about the dependability policy? How there are days that trigger a review around holidays automatically but we don’t receive any special pay for those days. They can’t have it both ways.
How about hotel standards? Not compensation related yet still immensely important.
Should we ignore all these things?
We already named the deadheading stuff.
How about check in via the jetcrew app? That’s ridiculous and has to go away.
How about the dependability policy? How there are days that trigger a review around holidays automatically but we don’t receive any special pay for those days. They can’t have it both ways.
How about hotel standards? Not compensation related yet still immensely important.
Should we ignore all these things?
02-15-2018, 10:32 AM
#5683
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by hyperboy
Sorry forgot a word.
Everything is a cost in negotiations. If we are NOT talking about things that increase our compensation, then it's wasting our time.
When we have a CBA I am voting on the pillars and a market rate. I am not voting NO just because I don't get MINT seating.
Everything is a cost in negotiations. If we are NOT talking about things that increase our compensation, then it's wasting our time.
When we have a CBA I am voting on the pillars and a market rate. I am not voting NO just because I don't get MINT seating.
It literally costs the company nothing if there is an open Mint seat. There is no cost and no reason we shouldn't be put in an unsold Mint seat for a DH. Also, no middle's or 150%. Just like United.
Nothing more to say Hyper.
02-15-2018, 10:36 AM
#5684
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by hyperboy
I was talking about MINT. You need to read up on whats required to check in thats certainly not all of it (many airlines have check in-FYI). You CANNOT fly sick.
And you weren’t just talking about Mint you specifically said anything not related to compensation is a waste of time.
It’s a pointless argument anyway because I trust in the NC we have. They won’t send it to the MEC unless it’s solid.
02-15-2018, 12:38 PM
#5686
Not A Janitor
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 814
Originally Posted by rvr1800
You lost me. What’s required to check in? Cannot fly sick? Huh?
And you weren’t just talking about Mint you specifically said anything not related to compensation is a waste of time.
It’s a pointless argument anyway because I trust in the NC we have. They won’t send it to the MEC unless it’s solid.
And you weren’t just talking about Mint you specifically said anything not related to compensation is a waste of time.
It’s a pointless argument anyway because I trust in the NC we have. They won’t send it to the MEC unless it’s solid.
I trust in the NC too and I am thankful they won't bring us a bad TA that would likely pass due to the Hypers and others at JB who don't have high standards.
02-15-2018, 05:06 PM
#5687
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,236
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Time to pay up JB.
All you juicers who think we aren’t worth legacy pay and buy the BS about how JB can’t pay us market rates.
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/sarcasm
So let’s flip the argument a little using this statistic. We make about 1.5 times what Delta makes per seat. So we’ll take their 320 and 321 rates and multiply by 1.5 and end up at $384/hour and $401/hour. Let’s start from there and maybe we can meet in the middle. Our productivity should be rewarded shouldn’t it? The additional profit certainly isn’t returned in our current profit sharing formula.
02-15-2018, 05:27 PM
#5688
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,918
Originally Posted by rvr1800
But Delta is so much bigger and they can afford it! If you don’t like it then leave!
/sarcasm
So let’s flip the argument a little using this statistic. We make about 1.5 times what Delta makes per seat. So we’ll take their 320 and 321 rates and multiply by 1.5 and end up at $384/hour and $401/hour. Let’s start from there and maybe we can meet in the middle. Our productivity should be rewarded shouldn’t it? The additional profit certainly isn’t returned in our current profit sharing formula.
/sarcasm
So let’s flip the argument a little using this statistic. We make about 1.5 times what Delta makes per seat. So we’ll take their 320 and 321 rates and multiply by 1.5 and end up at $384/hour and $401/hour. Let’s start from there and maybe we can meet in the middle. Our productivity should be rewarded shouldn’t it? The additional profit certainly isn’t returned in our current profit sharing formula.
Exactly right.
They had their chance and the blue it.
Game on. Numbers above just show that we have a solid case for and industry leading CBA.
Forget this ALK rate stuff
02-16-2018, 04:39 AM
#5689
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by rvr1800
If you don’t like it then maybe you should just leave.
02-16-2018, 04:55 AM
#5690
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
Originally Posted by queue
RVR, why are you so opposed to making it a better place to work at? The legacies have better benefits because employees fought for it. Employment isn't a one way street of pure authoritarianism.
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