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03-03-2018, 06:12 AM
#5771
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
Posts: 3,655
Originally Posted by Southerner
The SOP does not call for deicing unless the snow is greater than light snow, and adhering to the aircraft. A light, dry snow does not adhere to a cold surface, so they could have been both legal, and safe to depart without deicing, per the SOP.**
Are you suggesting that people should not follow SOP? ALPA says follow SOP.
(**Disclaimer - We know nothing about the particulars of the situation that could make this example a good or bad decision. I'm just saying that there are situations where not deicing in light snow is okay, according to our deicing procedures.)
Are you suggesting that people should not follow SOP? ALPA says follow SOP.
(**Disclaimer - We know nothing about the particulars of the situation that could make this example a good or bad decision. I'm just saying that there are situations where not deicing in light snow is okay, according to our deicing procedures.)
03-03-2018, 07:01 AM
#5773
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: P-3C
Posts: 982
De-icing is an illegal job action? Call the lawyers!!!!!!!! Lots of illegal job actions happening daily. Seriously Southy, youre a clown. Keep flying .80, grab an RSA, 1E taxi and wait for your warm-up for #2 at the hold short. You just made me update my apps.
Here’s a trivia question. What airline was sued for an illegal job action and now has a contract? Hint: They we’re in negotiations for less time than JB.
-Bubs
Here’s a trivia question. What airline was sued for an illegal job action and now has a contract? Hint: They we’re in negotiations for less time than JB.
-Bubs
03-03-2018, 07:02 AM
#5774
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: 1Durrty5
Posts: 290
Originally Posted by Southerner
Right. Extreme situations like some light snow...
Illegal job actions are a bad idea.
Illegal job actions are a bad idea.
03-03-2018, 07:26 AM
#5776
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: 1Durrty5
Posts: 290
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
Here’s a trivia question. What airline was sued for an illegal job action and now has a contract? Hint: They we’re in negotiations for less time than JB.
-Bubs
-Bubs
Nearly all of us on here are frustrated, disappointed, and mad as hell, but we can't start down the slippery slope of believing a truly illegal work action will have a beneficial outcome for this pilot group. The courts are not our friend.
Adherence to SOP, a laser sharp focus on safety, constructively educating other pilots, and following the MEC guidance will ultimately be our path to the contract we deserve and have earned.
03-03-2018, 07:48 AM
#5777
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,316
Originally Posted by Southerner
Right. Extreme situations like some light snow...
Illegal job actions are a bad idea.
Illegal job actions are a bad idea.
03-03-2018, 08:16 AM
#5778
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,206
Originally Posted by The701Express
I get that the deicing manual may allow you to depart without deicing in light snow that's not adhering to the aircraft, but what makes executing sound decision making and going with the safest course of action an illegal work action?
The decision (either way) to deice that he (and others) made isn't the job action.
03-03-2018, 03:52 PM
#5779
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by Southerner
The SOP does not call for deicing unless the snow is greater than light snow, and adhering to the aircraft. A light, dry snow does not adhere to a cold surface, so they could have been both legal, and safe to depart without deicing, per the SOP.**
Are you suggesting that people should not follow SOP? ALPA says follow SOP.
(**Disclaimer - We know nothing about the particulars of the situation that could make this example a good or bad decision. I'm just saying that there are situations where not deicing in light snow is okay, according to our deicing procedures.)
Are you suggesting that people should not follow SOP? ALPA says follow SOP.
(**Disclaimer - We know nothing about the particulars of the situation that could make this example a good or bad decision. I'm just saying that there are situations where not deicing in light snow is okay, according to our deicing procedures.)
Stop being a scumbag and put your lanyard on.
03-03-2018, 04:20 PM
#5780
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 68
Whoever wants to know who Southerner is...PM me and I’ll give you his seniority number. That way you can pull him aside and see how much of a [deleted] he is when you see him in the terminal!
Last edited by vagabond; 03-04-2018 at 07:53 AM.
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