Southerner

First, I didn't say that I agreed with the decision. I simply stated that it may have been legal and safe. Personally, I would have deiced.

I have a problem with keyboard warriors getting onto a computer and second-guessing another captain for their decisions. It isn't your place. And you don't know how his decision was made.

I also have a problem with people violating the law and trying to shame people who do RSA/VDAs. I don't want my dues money going to a fine.

And no, I'm not going to wear the lanyard.

Southerner

If anyone wants to message me and talk to me in person, I'm happy to do that. I'll even buy the beer. I'm not one of the va jay jays that hides behind a screen name.

Final Clear

...ummm, you don’t post using your “real name”, you hide behind a screen name. When you post using your “real name” instead of “southerner” then you won’t be hiding behind a screen name.

Hey jetblue...FUPM,

FC

PasserOGas

Who is shaming? Stop putting words in our mouths.


On a side note, what do you call someone who hasn't crossed a picket line (yet), but works against the pilot group in every other possible way? Not a scab, but scab similar. Scimilar?

Southerner, you are a scimilar.

FU Pay Me.

Southerner

1. I would never cross a picket line.
Ever.

As far as shaming goes...don't patronize me. We all know why people want the names of the RSA or VDA people. We all know why people come on here complaining about people who don't make the same operational decisions you would make.

The701Express

Okay, I misunderstood your post. The way you wrote your post, you jumped straight from talking about deicing to illegal job actions without specifying the illegal work action, so I interpreted it as you meaning the deicing situation was illegal.

I understand how a concerted effort to shame those picking up open time flying and being seen helping out is an illegal work action. However, we all have a responsibility to ensure we operate safely and in accordance with SOP.

I don't agree with outing specific flights and crews on this board (just as I don't agree with outing specific people on here) as it is only one side of the story, circumvents the established process for dealing with such issues, airs dirty laundry, and is counterproductive to operating a safe airline, but I feel it is far from a concerted illegal work action. There are ways to constructively deal with safety related issues internally, which we all should feel comfortable using to help maintain our great safety record.

Southerner

Thanks. By all means, if you see a safety concern, submit a Safety Action Report. Personally, I would talk to a guy before filing a report about his decision making.

The701Express

Herc, if Southerner doesn't wear an ALPA lanyard, it's already pretty easy to tell if you see him in the terminal. Outing his name and seniority number won't accomplish anything besides making you feel better.

As long as Southerner is a dues paying member, it's his choice whether to wear a lanyard. I don't agree with his decision, but all of the attacks against him on here have clearly not made him any more likely to wear a lanyard.

I want Southerner to choose to wear a lanyard on his own volition because he wants to publicly support his union and its volunteers, not out of fear of being hounded on the internet.

PasserOGas

Yeah, I for one am sick of people violating SOP, the FARs, and basic safe airmanship in order to "help" the company save a few bucks. I will shame them all day long. It isnt an illegal action to do so.

Southerner

You are conflating a bunch of things there. I never said that people should violate SOP or the FARs. I simply reminded you guys that the crew may have been operating according to SOP if they followed the deicing flow chart. And I put a big ole disclaimer in there saying that we don't have enough information to know if it was a good decision or not.

And your "basic safe airmanship" may not be be the same for someone else. Unless you are sitting there as part of the crew, you don't know enough about a situation to judge the crew on their decisions.

You are letting your anger cloud your judgement and opinions.