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06-15-2018, 10:46 AM
#6521
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by BunkerF16
Why can't we have both?! For the life of me I can't understand this line of thinking.
Why can't we have the work rules and scope AND:
*INDUSTRY STANDARD PAY RATES*
PS without a cliff
3% COLA
1 additional week per grouping
No OE trips withheld
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm tired of hearing the following excuses:
This is our first contract, need to solidify the base, then we'll get the stuff that's short on this TA the next time
What happens if the economy crashes....then what?
I'm a junior guy and it's super dooper good for me. I'm in!
+++++++++++++++++++++
So much f-ing shortsightedness with this pilot group it's nauseating...
Why can't we have the work rules and scope AND:
*INDUSTRY STANDARD PAY RATES*
PS without a cliff
3% COLA
1 additional week per grouping
No OE trips withheld
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm tired of hearing the following excuses:
This is our first contract, need to solidify the base, then we'll get the stuff that's short on this TA the next time
What happens if the economy crashes....then what?
I'm a junior guy and it's super dooper good for me. I'm in!
+++++++++++++++++++++
So much f-ing shortsightedness with this pilot group it's nauseating...
Agree completely with your sentiment. BTW.
06-15-2018, 10:50 AM
#6522
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 273
Originally Posted by BunkerF16
Why can't we have both?! For the life of me I can't understand this line of thinking.
Why can't we have the work rules and scope AND:
PS without a cliff
3% COLA
1 additional week per grouping
No OE trips withheld
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm tired of hearing the following excuses:
This is our first contract, need to solidify the base, then we'll get the stuff that's short on this TA the next time
What happens if the economy crashes....then what?
I'm a junior guy and it's super dooper good for me. I'm in!
+++++++++++++++++++++
So much f-ing shortsightedness with this pilot group it's nauseating...
Why can't we have the work rules and scope AND:
PS without a cliff
3% COLA
1 additional week per grouping
No OE trips withheld
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm tired of hearing the following excuses:
This is our first contract, need to solidify the base, then we'll get the stuff that's short on this TA the next time
What happens if the economy crashes....then what?
I'm a junior guy and it's super dooper good for me. I'm in!
+++++++++++++++++++++
So much f-ing shortsightedness with this pilot group it's nauseating...
06-15-2018, 10:54 AM
#6523
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,099
Originally Posted by BunkerF16
Why can't we have both?! For the life of me I can't understand this line of thinking.
Why can't we have the work rules and scope AND:
PS without a cliff
3% COLA
1 additional week per grouping
No OE trips withheld
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm tired of hearing the following excuses:
This is our first contract, need to solidify the base, then we'll get the stuff that's short on this TA the next time
What happens if the economy crashes....then what?
I'm a junior guy and it's super dooper good for me. I'm in!
+++++++++++++++++++++
So much f-ing shortsightedness with this pilot group it's nauseating...
Why can't we have the work rules and scope AND:
PS without a cliff
3% COLA
1 additional week per grouping
No OE trips withheld
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm tired of hearing the following excuses:
This is our first contract, need to solidify the base, then we'll get the stuff that's short on this TA the next time
What happens if the economy crashes....then what?
I'm a junior guy and it's super dooper good for me. I'm in!
+++++++++++++++++++++
So much f-ing shortsightedness with this pilot group it's nauseating...
06-15-2018, 11:02 AM
#6524
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
Originally Posted by BunkerF16
Why can't we have both?! For the life of me I can't understand this line of thinking.
Why can't we have the work rules and scope AND:
PS without a cliff
3% COLA
1 additional week per grouping
No OE trips withheld
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm tired of hearing the following excuses:
This is our first contract, need to solidify the base, then we'll get the stuff that's short on this TA the next time
What happens if the economy crashes....then what?
I'm a junior guy and it's super dooper good for me. I'm in!
+++++++++++++++++++++
So much f-ing shortsightedness with this pilot group it's nauseating...
Why can't we have the work rules and scope AND:
PS without a cliff
3% COLA
1 additional week per grouping
No OE trips withheld
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm tired of hearing the following excuses:
This is our first contract, need to solidify the base, then we'll get the stuff that's short on this TA the next time
What happens if the economy crashes....then what?
I'm a junior guy and it's super dooper good for me. I'm in!
+++++++++++++++++++++
So much f-ing shortsightedness with this pilot group it's nauseating...
06-15-2018, 11:39 AM
#6525
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,512
Agree with your other points however our vacation equates to the same number of days and credit as United.
United 4 weeks at 22.75
Jetblue 3 weeks at 35
Results in the same number of days off.
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United 4 weeks at 22.75
Jetblue 3 weeks at 35
Results in the same number of days off.
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06-15-2018, 11:47 AM
#6526
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,099
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Agree with your other points however our vacation equates to the same number of days and credit as United.
United 4 weeks at 22.75
Jetblue 3 weeks at 35
Results in the same number of days off.
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United 4 weeks at 22.75
Jetblue 3 weeks at 35
Results in the same number of days off.
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06-15-2018, 11:48 AM
#6527
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,879
Originally Posted by MGMTiswatchingU
Hmmm I'll give a scenario......agree to an AIP to get through summer with helpers then having the TA voted down after the high season to get back to square one of negotiations where they won't need the helpers anymore? That way nothing is really signed, labor expense hasn't increased, and they can keep paying you 40% lower than your peers till another summer. Repeat.
But I wouldn't put ANYTHING past this group at LSC.
06-15-2018, 11:51 AM
#6528
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,512
Originally Posted by benzoate
I would direct you to Snoops post on the other board. Your statement is not correct. Our allotment, distribution and availability based on seniority is grossly lagging.
Those are different things. We haven’t seen those yet either.
85 hour month.
35 hours vacation, requires about 8.5 more days to complete schedule
22.75 hours vacation. Requires about 12-13 more days to complete schedule.
Your 3 weeks are worth more credit and the same number of days off as United.
Our system does force you to take more of your days in 3 months rather than 4, however the days off and credit are equal.
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06-15-2018, 11:52 AM
#6529
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,879
Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Absolutely agree except I like the bulletpoints because this contract is primarily about work rules/retirement and scope.
The pairing construction also intrigues me.
It appears miles ahead of Alaska and more on a SWA par.
Again, no decision until I see the rates worked into the pairings and work rules/rigs.
I also like the vacation- I hated having to save my pto just to get awarded 2 weeks. I get em now anyway and can burn through my pto.
To each his own.
The pairing construction also intrigues me.
It appears miles ahead of Alaska and more on a SWA par.
Again, no decision until I see the rates worked into the pairings and work rules/rigs.
I also like the vacation- I hated having to save my pto just to get awarded 2 weeks. I get em now anyway and can burn through my pto.
To each his own.
Vacation, you have almost the exact same amount of PTO in the AIP as you do now! You just have less flexibility in how to use it in the new agreement! The AIP has vacation at 35/35 instead of 24.5/35, so your apparent increase in PTO hours is a complete ruse!
I agree on retirement.
What am I missing Bozo?
06-15-2018, 12:52 PM
#6530
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
I think what has gotten into all of us is the B6BS that we all deal with every day.
Are you actually trying to sell that you're going to look at the TA with an open mind? It's hard to tell with you.
Ive always been in agreement with you on the critique of B6, but not on your quick-triggered approach to judging the entire TA on bulletpoints alone.
You claim to be undecided, but your overall agreement with the close-minded Q, paints a different picture. I have not and will not block your posts like I have others, but dont pretend to have an open mind here. Your posts dont support that...Yet.
Not attacking here btw.
Are you actually trying to sell that you're going to look at the TA with an open mind? It's hard to tell with you.
Ive always been in agreement with you on the critique of B6, but not on your quick-triggered approach to judging the entire TA on bulletpoints alone.
You claim to be undecided, but your overall agreement with the close-minded Q, paints a different picture. I have not and will not block your posts like I have others, but dont pretend to have an open mind here. Your posts dont support that...Yet.
Not attacking here btw.
Did you join ANTIFA or simply become a millenial that can't deal with opposing viewpoints.
Perhaps you should seek refuge in your chemical dependencies.
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