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06-23-2018, 05:05 PM
#6711
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,879
Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Are you willing to fight pog?
What is that exactly?
Voting no, and presuming that the haul from a year of NC/MEC re-elections and re-negotiations miraculously provides us with SWA profit sharing, Delta pay rates, and AA health care?
Ill bet your answer is "hey, ya never know". The reality is that while a rejected T/A MAY result in a higher signing bonus and even 3% COLA, it probably wont get you a DAL/UAL contract. And in the meantime, you're stuck without scope protections and sub-standard work rules, in what could be risky times.
Now I know you and the "Bravehearts" out there, feel strong by "fighting" and roaring, but add a bit of intellect and tone down the battlecry.
This should be a good read, if you have the patience. It may be good or bad, but let's "fight" when we know the full deal. Btw, you're only owed what B6 is willing to pay.
Now I have agreed with you about B6 for the past year; You lose me when you wont even wait for the T/A.
Sound reasonable?
What is that exactly?
Voting no, and presuming that the haul from a year of NC/MEC re-elections and re-negotiations miraculously provides us with SWA profit sharing, Delta pay rates, and AA health care?
Ill bet your answer is "hey, ya never know". The reality is that while a rejected T/A MAY result in a higher signing bonus and even 3% COLA, it probably wont get you a DAL/UAL contract. And in the meantime, you're stuck without scope protections and sub-standard work rules, in what could be risky times.
Now I know you and the "Bravehearts" out there, feel strong by "fighting" and roaring, but add a bit of intellect and tone down the battlecry.
This should be a good read, if you have the patience. It may be good or bad, but let's "fight" when we know the full deal. Btw, you're only owed what B6 is willing to pay.
Now I have agreed with you about B6 for the past year; You lose me when you wont even wait for the T/A.
Sound reasonable?
I guarantee you the TA is more than B6 was "willing" to pay without union pressure levers.
06-23-2018, 05:28 PM
#6712
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
You're "only owed what B6 is willing to pay"?
I guarantee you the TA is more than B6 was "willing" to pay without union pressure levers.
I guarantee you the TA is more than B6 was "willing" to pay without union pressure levers.
This fight, as some state it, was lost when B6 was able to run at such low staffing levels. They were only brought to close the deal by a motivated mediator. I feel as though B6 wouldve rolled the dice, and had their fat pulled out of the fire once again by the juicers this Summer.
This TA, if rejected, wont get much better, because the pilot group has never indicated a reluctance to "help out".
All the bluster is just that.
The above is just prologue; Let's look at the TA and vote for a better QOL.
If its written out clearly.
06-23-2018, 06:11 PM
#6713
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Are you willing to fight pog?
What is that exactly?
Voting no, and presuming that the haul from a year of NC/MEC re-elections and re-negotiations miraculously provides us with SWA profit sharing, Delta pay rates, and AA health care?
Ill bet your answer is "hey, ya never know". The reality is that while a rejected T/A MAY result in a higher signing bonus and even 3% COLA, it probably wont get you a DAL/UAL contract. And in the meantime, you're stuck without scope protections and sub-standard work rules, in what could be risky times.
Now I know you and the "Bravehearts" out there, feel strong by "fighting" and roaring, but add a bit of intellect and tone down the battlecry.
This should be a good read, if you have the patience. It may be good or bad, but let's "fight" when we know the full deal. Btw, you're only owed what B6 is willing to pay.
Now I have agreed with you about B6 for the past year; You lose me when you wont even wait for the T/A.
Sound reasonable?
What is that exactly?
Voting no, and presuming that the haul from a year of NC/MEC re-elections and re-negotiations miraculously provides us with SWA profit sharing, Delta pay rates, and AA health care?
Ill bet your answer is "hey, ya never know". The reality is that while a rejected T/A MAY result in a higher signing bonus and even 3% COLA, it probably wont get you a DAL/UAL contract. And in the meantime, you're stuck without scope protections and sub-standard work rules, in what could be risky times.
Now I know you and the "Bravehearts" out there, feel strong by "fighting" and roaring, but add a bit of intellect and tone down the battlecry.
This should be a good read, if you have the patience. It may be good or bad, but let's "fight" when we know the full deal. Btw, you're only owed what B6 is willing to pay.
Now I have agreed with you about B6 for the past year; You lose me when you wont even wait for the T/A.
Sound reasonable?
06-23-2018, 06:16 PM
#6714
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
I will vote no until B6 comes to the table with a market rate offer. B6s growth plans and fleet review are in our hands. When they can't staff and run this place based on our PEA we win. Even if that doesn't work, eventually the NMB would have to release us, just to keep up the fiction that they are a neutral party. It may take a decade or more. If that is what it takes so be it.
Peace pog
06-23-2018, 06:45 PM
#6715
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,206
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
I will vote no until B6 comes to the table with a market rate offer. B6s growth plans and fleet review are in our hands. When they can't staff and run this place based on our PEA we win. Even if that doesn't work, eventually the NMB would have to release us, just to keep up the fiction that they are a neutral party. It may take a decade or more. If that is what it takes so be it.
06-23-2018, 06:51 PM
#6716
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
Originally Posted by Southerner
Run the math on taking an agreement now, another in 5 years, then yet another 5 years later vs keeping what we have for a decade. Now imagine a decade without scope or merger protections in addition to the money lost. Is your ego really worth that much to you?
Ive been known to be pi$$ed at B6, but Im still going to look at QOL work rules and vote my calculator and days off.
06-23-2018, 06:59 PM
#6717
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 332
Originally Posted by Southerner
Run the math on taking an agreement now, another in 5 years, then yet another 5 years later vs keeping what we have for a decade. Now imagine a decade without scope or merger protections in addition to the money lost. Is your ego really worth that much to you?
JetBlue is a brand anyway, right? Easy enough to farm out the actual flying part.
06-23-2018, 08:33 PM
#6718
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 988
Originally Posted by Southerner
Run the math on taking an agreement now, another in 5 years, then yet another 5 years later vs keeping what we have for a decade. Now imagine a decade without scope or merger protections in addition to the money lost. Is your ego really worth that much to you?
Keeping what we have for a decade? No one is talking about that. But guys need to stop being such F-ing pu$$ies and worrying about what might happen if this drags out another year.
Run your numbers with this contract for 6-7 years, vs staying the same for a year, and getting a REAL market rate contract for the last 5-6 years.
I'll take a chance on waiting a year, and getting a real deal by not giving up the greatest amount of leverage at the very last minute.
06-23-2018, 08:57 PM
#6719
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 252
10 years doesn’t make him angry. Some care about integrity some don’t. I’d go the rest of my 25 years without a CBA that’s not at least standard to our peers. I don’t expect everyone to think like that. You can’t put a price on some things for me. I don’t want to drag down our profession it’s that simple
I worked at a place that started an alter ego. We were offered the flying and aircraft initially but at a lousy rate. We voted no. And GoJet was formed. Flying against us at a cheaper rate. Within a year half the pilots were on the street. But we didn’t cave to some subpar deal. Maybe we cut off our nose, dunno. But we kept our integrity. Just my bedtime story
I worked at a place that started an alter ego. We were offered the flying and aircraft initially but at a lousy rate. We voted no. And GoJet was formed. Flying against us at a cheaper rate. Within a year half the pilots were on the street. But we didn’t cave to some subpar deal. Maybe we cut off our nose, dunno. But we kept our integrity. Just my bedtime story
06-24-2018, 05:17 AM
#6720
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,879
Originally Posted by jtrain609
That math is easy; we'd all be making zero dollars without scope if this gets drawn out because JetBlue management could shut down the airline and farm the flying out to a regional.
JetBlue is a brand anyway, right? Easy enough to farm out the actual flying part.
JetBlue is a brand anyway, right? Easy enough to farm out the actual flying part.
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