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Old 06-24-2018, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post
I don’t think you meant to quote me because it doesn’t really make sense based on what I said.
you're right...that's weird. i had selected that other message, not yours. you must have posted yours at that exact moment, and apc quoted yours instead of that. very weird. sorry for the confusion.
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Old 06-24-2018, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post
I donít think you meant to quote me because it doesnít really make sense based on what I said. I was talking about todayís no votes. 2 of the 5 no votes were due to implementation language only..

The LGB no votes...


ďWe believe the Negotiating Committee met our objective of achieving a market-rate agreement. Looking at the package as a whole, we understand that from work rules to retirement, pay rates, rigs, and overrides, the contract added over 700 hundred million dollars to our pilot group.

Our issue was with the implementation timeline. The Negotiating Committee was able to stipulate that the Company cannot achieve efficiencies that they bargained for in certain areas until Reserve and, ultimately, all of Section 25 Scheduling, is fully implemented. However, we didn't feel that our members should have to endure these delays.Ē

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Yet, amazingly, the company gets the OE pairings held out from the FOs almost IMMEDIATELY!

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Old 06-24-2018, 04:19 PM
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Seems most of the NO votes were solely based on implementation time line. Which I agree sucks. Not sure if voting no will speed that up at all...

Still havenít decided one way or another.
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Old 06-24-2018, 04:41 PM
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Seems most of the NO votes were solely based on implementation time line. Which I agree sucks. Not sure if voting no will speed that up at all...

Still havenít decided one way or another.
Unfortunately it won't. The barriers to implementation are mostly due to software, which won't come any faster if we vote no.

Vote yes/no on the merits of the agreement itself, rather than the implementation timeline.
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Old 06-24-2018, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Southerner View Post
Unfortunately it won't. The barriers to implementation are mostly due to software, which won't come any faster if we vote no.

Vote yes/no on the merits of the agreement itself, rather than the implementation timeline.
Absolutely terrible advice and misleading. EVERYTHING comes at a cost. Implementation can happen faster if the company paid for it to happen faster. Thatís a fact. Another fact; it would be maybe be acceptable if there was a monetary gain to the pilots in lieu of the insult which is the implementation schedule. Jeez man. Freebies donít pay my bills. Do they pay yours?
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Old 06-24-2018, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by zulu99 View Post
Absolutely terrible advice and misleading. EVERYTHING comes at a cost. Implementation can happen faster if the company paid for it to happen faster. Thatís a fact. Another fact; it would be maybe be acceptable if there was a monetary gain to the pilots in lieu of the insult which is the implementation schedule. Jeez man. Freebies donít pay my bills. Do they pay yours?
Throw a few extra million bucks on and it makes implementation stomachable.
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Old 06-24-2018, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Southerner View Post
Vote yes/no on the merits of the agreement itself, rather than the implementation timeline.


But the implementation timeline states that a lot of what weíre voting for will only be available for 1/2 or 2/3 of the life of contract. And thereís hidden dollar signs all over the contract buried in those work rules

Examples:

25.K.1- RSV SCL Days Off: increasing from 12 and 13 to 13 and 14. Implementation date of 1/1/19 (6 Months)
4:12 X 6 months X $117 (new 2nd year FO Pay)=$2,948 (over $7k for RSV captain) Or 25:12 worth of PTO in days off...

25.R.5.b- Reserve first day start time. Implementation of 11/1/19 (4 Months)
So itís 0300L Reserve starts until November. Commuter and canít hold PM reserve? That just cost a reserve captain another $10-12k worth in days off each week commuting into base the day before.

Right there. Only 2 work rules. $20k left on the table for a 7yr captain due to implementation delays. Granted, maybe you canít put a monetary value on ďtime off.Ē But time not spent at work is more valuable than time spent at work in my book.

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Old 06-25-2018, 01:56 AM
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Look, Iím sitting here at 2 years on RSV as a 190CA. Iím being abused and so is everyone else on RSV this summer. Our rules SUCK beyond ALL belief. Worse than (insert a regional) and Iím tired of hearing ďOh, when I was at (insert a regional) our rules gave us this and we would rig that and we could bid this and the reserve grid would do that and we could swap here and there.Ē No more!! People who are senior donít know and donít care to know. F the RSV guy. Right now the reserve (your ALPA brethren) are essentially flying a full schedule line. The fun part about this line is that you never know whatís coming. Like todayís JFK DH coverage trip then DH back. Good thing I bid PM and got 0 dark thirty you know itís going to be a broken pairing call so set your alarm RAP. NONSENSE!!!!

So todayís rant is about RSV, but the rules in this TA, which SHOULD become our First CBA, benefit commuters, our awesome helpers (VDA RSA), redeye slaves, hotel snobs, F-ing 401ks and oh yes gives us a F-ing salary raise and concrete salary raises for the next 4 years. So, for everyone who has been in a car dealership and made a deal only to wake up the next day and say ďI could have gotten another $50 off that dealĒ stop triple guessing whatís this and whatís that and get ready to Vote Yes. Start the clock on our future.

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Old 06-25-2018, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba View Post
Look, Iím sitting here at 2 years on RSV as a 190CA. Iím being abused and so is everyone else on RSV this summer. Our rules SUCK beyond ALL belief. Worse than (insert a regional) and Iím tired of hearing ďOh, when I was at (insert a regional) our rules gave us this and we would rig that and we could bid this and the reserve grid would do that and we could swap here and there.Ē No more!! People who are senior donít know and donít care to know. F the RSV guy. Right now the reserve (your ALPA brethren) are essentially flying a full schedule line. The fun part about this line is that you never know whatís coming. Like todayís JFK DH coverage trip then DH back. Good thing I bid PM and got 0 dark thirty you know itís going to be a broken pairing call so set your alarm RAP. NONSENSE!!!!

So todayís rant is about RSV, but the rules in this TA, which SHOULD become our First CBA, benefit commuters, our awesome helpers (VDA RSA), redeye slaves, hotel snobs, F-ing 401ks and oh yes gives us a F-ing salary raise and concrete salary raises for the next 4 years. So, for everyone who has been in a car dealership and made a deal only to wake up the next day and say ďI could have gotten another $50 off that dealĒ stop triple guessing whatís this and whatís that and get ready to Vote Yes. Start the clock on our future.

-Bubs
Our future under this contract is to lag the industry in almost all sections (including reserve rules) pretty much forever. Let's start the clock on a new NC and a real contract.
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:25 AM
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The contract is ok. The salary lags, and will continue to lag. The insurance is still a kick in the nads. And the profit sharing is a joke. The measly $50mil bonus is the icing on the cake (after the company just bought back $1billion in stocks).... I think the sway vote will be people who wonít want to continue another 1-2 years in hopes of MAYBE getting another $10-20k out of the pay rates..... if the NC/MEC were smart, theyíd go to the company and say ďif you want this contract to pass, at least double your signing bonus.Ē Itíll help us recoup what weíd hope to gain out of future negotiations, cover lost income due to implementation, give us a solid foundation to build on in 2.5 years when we enter early Section 6, and will cost the company a lot less in the long run compared to another 2 years of labor disputes.


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