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01-25-2019, 09:18 AM

#7541

Bluedriver

The REAL Bluedriver

Joined APC: Sep 2011

Position: Airbus Capt

Posts: 6,879

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyby1206

General malaise regarding the company's strategic direction combined with apathy after seeing company actions in post-CBA environment. The Office Space mentality is strong and we are all living the Peter Gibbons life.

All true, plus the unilateral theft of our profit sharing via forced formula change.

01-25-2019, 07:31 PM

#7542

queue

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Joined APC: Dec 2016

Posts: 1,132

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Yep. It's so disgusting. I wonder why pilot morale is generally in a Dominican toilet? Any ideas?

Sure glad we listened to the juicers on here who said we would urgently need any contract in case we got bought out, no matter how bad it really is.

Sure glad we went all the way to strike so that we could BEGIN to negotiate things like PS.

Good thing we bent over to the first proposal before even bothering to rewrite the TA to close all the holes on virtually every page.

Good thing we continue to let our MEC celebrate their "victory" with this contract while they retract things like uniform grievances.

01-26-2019, 10:33 AM

#7543

leavemealone

On Reserve

Joined APC: Jan 2019

Posts: 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy

If you made $100,000 last year your profit sharing is:

New formula - $200

Old profit sharing formula - $7,800

See why they changed it?!?

Still waiting to "celebrate a win" with Giggity.

Gup

I suppose APC Jetbue profile is wrong as it says that the PS is 10% if the PM was under 18%. Either that or I'm misreading it. How is it calculated? I read online that 2018 PM was a little more than 8%.

01-26-2019, 03:01 PM

#7544

BeatNavy

Covfefe

Joined APC: Jun 2015

Posts: 3,001

Quote:

Originally Posted by leavemealone

Multiply what you make in a year by .002 and that is the 2018 payout. In other words, don’t expect any meaningful profit sharing as a jetblue employee. JetBlue profit sharing is paid in culture and calculated with convoluted blue math. There’s a “cliff” that pretty much wipes it out. As one of the great leaders of this place once said, “you have to sacrifice to work here.” It’s such a privilege, they pay you less to do it. I think under this formula, even if JetBlue made ungodly amounts of profit, employees would still see very little. At least there are industry standard pay rates to compensate...wait nevermind.

01-27-2019, 02:59 AM

#7545

hilltopflyer

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Joined APC: Apr 2011

Posts: 1,473

This is why I don’t try at all to save the company money. I start two engines ASAP and start the apu on every turn. If I got back some of the money I saved I would try to save money for this place but I don’t so why put effort into it.

01-27-2019, 05:04 AM

#7546

Mattio

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Jul 2010

Posts: 247

Quote:

Originally Posted by hilltopflyer

I will definitely vote no to a 190 raise. I wouldn’t have bid over to the bus if it was up to begin with.

I hope you're joking. You would vote to withhold money from fellow pilots just so you can feel better about a past decision?

01-27-2019, 05:29 AM

#7547

disenchantMINT

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Jan 2019

Posts: 357

Quote:

Originally Posted by leavemealone

It is 10%. But that amount is arbitrarily reduced by HALF (the "cliff"). Blue math. It always works in favor of the company and against the pilot.

CBA 3.N:

Quote:

Pilots are entitled to profit sharing based on their pro rata share of the 10% of adjusted pre-tax income before profit sharing and special items up to a pre-tax margin of 18%. The result is reduced by 5% of eligible compensation

Market rate profit sharing right there.

01-27-2019, 06:24 AM

#7548

PasserOGas

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Joined APC: Feb 2009

Posts: 1,445

Quote:

Originally Posted by disenchantMINT

It is 10%. But that amount is arbitrarily reduced by HALF (the "cliff"). Blue math. It always works in favor of the company and against the pilot.

CBA 3.N:

Market rate profit sharing right there.

Fair profit sharing should be the easiest decision for management to make.

1. It motivates all your employees to do the "little things" that make the company successful.

2. You only pay it if you are making money.

Other companies offer it because it makes GOOD BUSINESS SENSE.

Then there's our ELT geniuses watching as all our numbers get worse YOY.

Hey Management, when the time comes that you really need us it's going to cost more to get us back on the "team" than had you just shared in the first place.

01-27-2019, 07:34 AM

#7549

hilltopflyer

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Joined APC: Apr 2011

Posts: 1,473

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattio

I hope you're joking. You would vote to withhold money from fellow pilots just so you can feel better about a past decision?

Yep I would. If they want to arbitrarily raise the 190 pay to make it competitive they should have done it with the contract or give a lot more then just pay rates to everyone to make it worthwhile.

01-27-2019, 08:03 AM

#7550

BeatNavy

Covfefe

Joined APC: Jun 2015

Posts: 3,001

Quote:

Originally Posted by hilltopflyer

Yep I would. If they want to arbitrarily raise the 190 pay to make it competitive they should have done it with the contract or give a lot more then just pay rates to everyone to make it worthwhile.

I’d vote for an LOA to raise 190 pay if they fixed a few other things in conjunction. PS for one since it’s a hot topic. Get rid of the redeye carve out for the ADG. 5:15 a day instead of 5. And 3% COLA moving forward. And 321 override and/or make the A220 a family rate. Just a few things off the top of my head. If the company wants it, it’s gonna cost them more than just a few extra bucks for the 190 rates.