Kalitta Air (K4) Information
10-11-2021, 07:53 PM
#3891
Tuberriffic
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Hopefully the bunk
Posts: 222
Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot
Search for research studies out of Israel and the UK on natural immunity vs “vaccinated” immunity. Pretty revealing and kept quietly out of the mainstream rhetoric. Had it, survived and now have immunity. Even if I had never gotten it, I’d rather take my chances with a virus that is 99.7% survivable than take any shot.
10-12-2021, 04:48 AM
#3892
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 585
Originally Posted by thepotato232
Enjoy retirement. Tell Dwight and Paul I said "hi," signed for both their planes last rotation.
10-12-2021, 05:10 AM
#3894
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by shroomwell
Q: Will the Company validate all vaccination cards?
A: Yes. The company will cross-reference vaccination cards with local health departments. The FBI categorizes the unauthorized use of an official government agency's seal such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as a crime. Citing this as an act that could be punishable under Title 18 United States Code, Section 1017, other applicable laws, and could carry a fine and a maximum of 5 years in prison.
A: Yes. The company will cross-reference vaccination cards with local health departments. The FBI categorizes the unauthorized use of an official government agency's seal such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as a crime. Citing this as an act that could be punishable under Title 18 United States Code, Section 1017, other applicable laws, and could carry a fine and a maximum of 5 years in prison.
The federal government has mandated vaccines for companies the size of K4. You don’t have a legal argument there. That leaves you with several options that come to mind. One, you could invoke a religious objection. Two, you could make a health objection. Three, you could falsify the document. If you think for one second that K4 is going to verify something that is not verifiable you haven’t worked at K4 long enough. There is no requirement for verification and they will not be verifying anything.
K4 is simply following the rules set down by the Biden Administration. Why would they try to verify cards when there is no requirement to do so. So that they can catch somebody and then not have them available to operate a flight? Really? How long have you worked there? Another point is that people have analyzed their risk associated with death but yet they don’t take the time to research the risk of getting caught not complying? Is that because this is the first time somebody has mentioned forging a document. I guess for some people if it hasn’t appeared on the internet then it must not be true.
For the record, I am not advocating forging a document. I am advocating that everybody get a vaccine. I am also an advocate of personal choice. Kind of reminds me of when the Catholics were being persecuted when they admitted that they were Catholic. Eventually they wised up and said that they weren’t.
To answer Gollum. Why do I care I am retired? I care because I don’t like seeing you guys panic over something that is very simple to resolve. This conspiracy theory that Kalitta or a government agency would actually take the time to verify the millions of employees around the country that are submitting vaccine cards is ludicrous. You do remember how the last election went don’t you?
10-12-2021, 06:45 AM
#3895
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Position: Doing Just Fine
Posts: 356
Originally Posted by maxjet
Second, the vaccine is safe. You want to disagree?
10-12-2021, 08:42 AM
#3896
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 831
Originally Posted by maxjet
First of all there is no data base of vaccines. Vaccine records are not sent to the local Health Department. I received my vaccine at a testing facility. Second, the vaccine is safe. You want to disagree? I respect your opinion and will leave you to the consequences of that action.
The federal government has mandated vaccines for companies the size of K4. You don’t have a legal argument there. That leaves you with several options that come to mind. One, you could invoke a religious objection. Two, you could make a health objection. Three, you could falsify the document. If you think for one second that K4 is going to verify something that is not verifiable you haven’t worked at K4 long enough. There is no requirement for verification and they will not be verifying anything.
K4 is simply following the rules set down by the Biden Administration. Why would they try to verify cards when there is no requirement to do so. So that they can catch somebody and then not have them available to operate a flight? Really? How long have you worked there? Another point is that people have analyzed their risk associated with death but yet they don’t take the time to research the risk of getting caught not complying? Is that because this is the first time somebody has mentioned forging a document. I guess for some people if it hasn’t appeared on the internet then it must not be true.
For the record, I am not advocating forging a document. I am advocating that everybody get a vaccine. I am also an advocate of personal choice. Kind of reminds me of when the Catholics were being persecuted when they admitted that they were Catholic. Eventually they wised up and said that they weren’t.
To answer Gollum. Why do I care I am retired? I care because I don’t like seeing you guys panic over something that is very simple to resolve. This conspiracy theory that Kalitta or a government agency would actually take the time to verify the millions of employees around the country that are submitting vaccine cards is ludicrous. You do remember how the last election went don’t you?
The federal government has mandated vaccines for companies the size of K4. You don’t have a legal argument there. That leaves you with several options that come to mind. One, you could invoke a religious objection. Two, you could make a health objection. Three, you could falsify the document. If you think for one second that K4 is going to verify something that is not verifiable you haven’t worked at K4 long enough. There is no requirement for verification and they will not be verifying anything.
K4 is simply following the rules set down by the Biden Administration. Why would they try to verify cards when there is no requirement to do so. So that they can catch somebody and then not have them available to operate a flight? Really? How long have you worked there? Another point is that people have analyzed their risk associated with death but yet they don’t take the time to research the risk of getting caught not complying? Is that because this is the first time somebody has mentioned forging a document. I guess for some people if it hasn’t appeared on the internet then it must not be true.
For the record, I am not advocating forging a document. I am advocating that everybody get a vaccine. I am also an advocate of personal choice. Kind of reminds me of when the Catholics were being persecuted when they admitted that they were Catholic. Eventually they wised up and said that they weren’t.
To answer Gollum. Why do I care I am retired? I care because I don’t like seeing you guys panic over something that is very simple to resolve. This conspiracy theory that Kalitta or a government agency would actually take the time to verify the millions of employees around the country that are submitting vaccine cards is ludicrous. You do remember how the last election went don’t you?
10-12-2021, 09:12 AM
#3897
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by WhaleWrangler
I know of two very pro vax individuals who took the shots when they became available. Both had funerals last month after contracting C-19. I'll take my chances on with 0.02% thank you.
10-12-2021, 09:21 AM
#3898
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by goinaround
There’s a record. I lost my vax card for a while and simply found my record online and printed that out. Doesn’t look the same but it’s got the dates, batch number, etc. The email that I got after receiving the vax very clearly stated that and how to go about obtaining the record. And you think K4 won’t verify? We still have one person figuring out our pay every month. Give me one long day with nothing else to do and I could get it done. Suggesting that falsifying proof of vaccination is an option is ludicrous.
Step one: Check and see if your vaccine provider, be it a retail pharmacy or a health department, allows you to access your vaccine records online.
"If a patient misplaces their vaccine record, they have several options,” says CVS Pharmacy retail communications manager Matt Blanchette. CVS allows customers to look up their vaccine records by logging into the CVS website or the CVS app (you'll have to download it and create an account).
Notice it reads, “if a patient” under HIPA regulations you have no obligation to give anybody your medical records, nor can the provider release them without your consent. Plain and simple.
As I stated before. There is no requirement by the government to verify. Why would Kalitta wish to open that can of worms? Just so they could then cancel flights? In the words of your hero, Come-on Man! 😂
10-12-2021, 10:06 AM
#3899
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 831
Originally Posted by maxjet
As I stated before. There is no requirement by the government to verify. Why would Kalitta wish to open that can of worms? Just so they could then cancel flights? In the words of your hero, Come-on Man! 😂
10-12-2021, 10:51 AM
#3900
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by goinaround
Because the company has explicitly stated that they are going to do just that as a condition of employment (for now at least)
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