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SinkRatePullUp 12-29-2022 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by maxjet (Post 3560282)
As some of you know, I am a by-product of the lost decade. I arrived at K4 in 2011 having had 7 jobs in 4 years and getting 4 types in that 4 years. I was grateful to have landed at K4 and was always a cheerleader for Connie and the management team until my retirement. While I will always be a Connie supporter, The Prince and Princess have poisoned the well. The environment at K4 has become very French Revolution like with the Prince and Princess declaring, “let them eat cake”.

From what I see and hear, they have taken away everything that was good about the job. The 2-3 day stays in Paris, Hong Kong, Dubai, Leipzig, (rail around Europe) are gone. Even when you have days off, they tie you down with endless restrictions. They have taken away the sense of team by becoming the evil crystal palace in YIP, run by the Prince and Princess. All common sense is gone. As the Prince says, “if you don’t like it here leave”. One of the core values used to be, if something serious happened at home, Connie’s people had your back and you are on the first flight home. Now? I suspect it would have to be evaluated.

When I flew exclusively PAX in the middle 2000’s I went home after a 4 day trip tired, had 3 days or so off and did it again 2 more times a month. Beat the crap out of me. When I worked 17 days a month at K4, I flew maybe 8-9 of them and went home relatively rested. There were some months that we had such a good time that guys learned to not tell their wives about it because they were stuck back home taking care of the regular day to day business of raising a family. Still, we always had the reward of points at hotels and upgrades at Airlines and could take our families away on very nice vacations.

Those days appear to be gone and it doesn’t seem that they will return. No amount of money that K4 is capable of paying without going into financial peril, is going to make up for lack of quality of life. I think that this “new” business model created by the prince and princess is unsustainable long term. If you intend to fly more than 10 years, get out now while you can accrue seniority at another carrier.

Christmas Day I spoke with my good friend, who without a doubt has always been the happiest person I know, and has always been very happy to work for Connie. He said, “Tom, I have never seen it so bad. It has gotten to the point where flying the airplane and being with crews is painful.” I never thought it would be capable of beating this man, who is loved by everyone at K4 down. Very Sad.

Happy New Year

2-3 day layovers are still a thing, when my daughter was in the hospital they dropped all of my flying and got me the first ticket home, I haven't paid for a hotel in years because of all of the points we rack up, bids are anywhere between 11 to 16 days of work, and im making a very good wage here. YMMV but I have to say this forum is filled with people talking about how bad this place is when a lot of the people I fly with really don't feel this way at all. On top of that it turns out some of the most vocal people on here don't even work here anymore. Now sure there are days when I'm ready to put out an app but at the end of the day I weigh my options and find that I would have to take quite a large hit in QOL to go somewhere else. Not to say everyone's complaints arent valid but if someone is thinking of coming here I think they are going to get a pretty distorted view of what the reality is of working here by reading these forums.

Riverside 12-29-2022 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by BailRoads69 (Post 3560824)
I quit kalitta years ago, because I was scolded like a child in the simulator by a genuine rocket scientist. That ruined my time at kalitta, does anyone know what happened to him? I’m assured he works at Space X figuring launch trajectory by now since he was so brilliant.

The simulator even comes with a clipboard across the face.

WhaleWrangler 12-31-2022 05:43 AM

Sadly there a several things that are pi$$ing off the crews that could be such an easy fix. 200+ pilots left in 2022, or to put it another way 28%!! Yes the industry is hungry for pilots but when you see senior, in both longevity and age leave and they are not willing to even attempt to try and fix it.

Great place to come to, get a heavy type and leave for somewhere where you will be better treated and better paid. Don't worry about putting in 1 or 2 years, people quit during initial, sim, IOE or after a few months online.

Come on in the waters tepid!!

Alexander 01-06-2023 04:10 PM

Does anyone have recent experience with the Kalitta interview process and can help point me in the right direction for a study guide?

fastback 01-06-2023 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Alexander (Post 3566331)
Does anyone have recent experience with the Kalitta interview process and can help point me in the right direction for a study guide?

There used to be gouge, but last week someone told me they got hired at Sun n Fun by walking up to the Kalitta booth and talking to the recruiter. They were wearing shorts and flip flops. “Do you mind flying bombs? Can you handle 16 day trips? You’re hired. Also, now that you’re hired, how many hours do you have?”

Ham Sandwich 01-07-2023 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Alexander (Post 3566331)
Does anyone have recent experience with the Kalitta interview process and can help point me in the right direction for a study guide?


I had my interview recently. AviationInterviews.com will more than adequately prepare you for the interview. Be ready to the following questions:

1. What airframe do you want to fly?
2. Sometimes our trips and routes change with little notice, is that okay?
3. Have you ever been arrested?
4. Do you have any checkride failures?

goinaround 01-08-2023 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Ham Sandwich (Post 3566589)
I had my interview recently. AviationInterviews.com will more than adequately prepare you for the interview. Be ready to the following questions:

1. What airframe do you want to fly?
2. Sometimes our trips and routes change with little notice, is that okay?
3. Have you ever been arrested?
4. Do you have any checkride failures?

Sounds similar to my interview several years ago. It was a breath of fresh air to the previous interview I had where they focused on diversity and public service……

TangoIndiaMike1 01-13-2023 09:31 PM

How long are some of the days? I know the 747 flys longer legs but what can someone expect 16 ish hours?

efc4life 01-14-2023 12:25 AM


Originally Posted by TangoIndiaMike1 (Post 3571044)
How long are some of the days? I know the 747 flys longer legs but what can someone expect 16 ish hours?

It all varies, obviously. We almost exclusively fly as double crew and 12-20 hour duty days would be the norm. Our contractual duty day maximums are under the FARs by a few hours.

Locke 01-14-2023 12:26 AM


Originally Posted by TangoIndiaMike1 (Post 3571044)
How long are some of the days? I know the 747 flys longer legs but what can someone expect 16 ish hours?

The max duty day is 24 hours. Expect to see that quite a bit. Yes, you will fly 16 hour legs. CVG-ICN is a 16 hour flight and its done all the time.

(At least on the 74) you’ll average around 9-10 hour legs, but you’ll have a lot of very long days.


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