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4dalulz 02-24-2024 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by basiskeyboard (Post 3688329)
As I understand it, I am only restricted from PIC duties because I do not meet ICAO requirements for that. I’ve done many Mexico/Canada trips under part 121 with a restricted atp acting as SIC. Does this have to do with augmented operations? I am not familiar.

You cannot be on an augmented crew in international operations with a R-ATP.

anthony210 02-25-2024 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by basiskeyboard (Post 3688329)
As I understand it, I am only restricted from PIC duties because I do not meet ICAO requirements for that. I’ve done many Mexico/Canada trips under part 121 with a restricted atp acting as SIC. Does this have to do with augmented operations? I am not familiar.

K4 flies almost 100% with augmented crew (3 or 4 pilots). Each pilot on an augmented crew needs to be PIC qualified as there is “usually” only 1 Captain and 2-3 FOs. When it’s the CAs turn for a break one of the FOs will be designated PIC until the CA returns. You cannot serve as PIC with an R-ATP.

Cujo665 02-29-2024 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by anthony210 (Post 3773748)
K4 flies almost 100% with augmented crew (3 or 4 pilots). Each pilot on an augmented crew needs to be PIC qualified as there is “usually” only 1 Captain and 2-3 FOs. When it’s the CAs turn for a break one of the FOs will be designated PIC until the CA returns. You cannot serve as PIC with an R-ATP.

they're never actually PIC. They are left in charge by the PIC while he/she is out of the cockpit, but they are still acting as SIC.

Birdsmash 02-29-2024 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3775141)
they're never actually PIC. They are left in charge by the PIC while he/she is out of the cockpit, but they are still acting as SIC.

Depends on the carrier. At Atlas a Relief Pilot actually signs on the flight plan for the time period they are “acting as PIC”. I understand the difference between the official PIC that signs the logbook and an acting PIC. A R-ATP obviously could not act as either.

Hawkerdriver1 02-29-2024 11:54 AM

The almost 3 months times off for those waiting to commence 777 OE has been splendid.

fastback 03-02-2024 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by Hawkerdriver1 (Post 3775325)
The almost 3 months times off for those waiting to commence 777 OE has been splendid.

I’m pushing 5 months now. Loving it.

Flyler 03-02-2024 08:30 PM

HOw tight is hiring right now? Im at 1000tPIC and 2800 hours or so of 121 time. Should it be pretty easy to get picked up or is it still as competitive as elsewhere right now?

Ave8tor218 03-02-2024 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3775141)
they're never actually PIC. They are left in charge by the PIC while he/she is out of the cockpit, but they are still acting as SIC.

If it is age-related you cannot be in an augmented crew:


Originally Posted by FAR 61.167(b)
Limitations. A person who holds an airline transport pilot certificate and has not satisfied the age requirement of § 61.153(a)(1) and the aeronautical experience requirements of § 61.159 may not:
(1) Act as pilot in command in operations conducted under part 121, § 91.1053(a)(2)(i), or § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or
(2)Serve as second in command in flag or supplemental operations in part 121 of this chapter requiring three or more pilots.


Boeingthere 03-30-2024 10:48 AM

Thanks to whoever updated the Kalitta Air profile. Here are just a few more details for potential employees.

1. Sick accrual is sub-par. And if you call out sick day 1, your monthly bid award will be reduced to 64 hrs. So it is possible to bid and be awarded a 14 day 84 hr. line. You will loose 20 hrs. of pay for calling out sick for day 1. Even if you report for duty on day 2 of your bid award.

2. If you call out sick in the middle of your tour and you are above minimum monthly guarantee (64 hrs.) you will be charged a 4 hr. administrative fee.
4 X $117.00 = $468.00

3. You owe the company 16 days a month according to crew resources and management. So on your vacation month you bid 2 weeks, 14 days. You will be required to work the "owed" 2 more days. Or if you bid 7 days at a time in two different months you will be required to work the other 9 days. Point being you are not eligible to bid a ghost work schedule that, with seniority may be a 12,13,14,15,16 day line. And only owe what would have been awarded to you based on your seniority bid.

4. Our pay protection and work rules are typical ACMI, (not even good) OK at best. Here you can be scheduled KJFK - RKSI and CR can put you on a KJFK - KOSC. that's a loss of about 12 hrs. of pay credit. It's sad how much power crew resources has over how much money you earn and your quality of life at work.

5. There is no soft pay here at K4. You will earn every penny in your paycheck. No override pay, no profit sharing, no bonuses. 12% DC is better, but in no way industry standard.

6. 50% deadhead pay. Another example of CR having way to much power over your earning potential. You may be scheduled to operate KJFK - RKSI and now they want you to deadhead. Your 15 hr. pay credit just got cut in half.

7. Long term disability and short term disability are well below any industry standard. And 0 loss of medical insurance.

I'm sure there are several other things I am not mentioning and some here will criticize me for pointing out the short comings of working here. And others who will have several things to add to the improvements list.

C17B74 03-30-2024 08:49 PM

Well done shedding light on certain situations. It is up to us to reveal the shortcomings for those interested in our outfits. I had heard about the administrative sick fee and vacation deficit and didn't believe it the first time. Seeing it written down is like a brick to the head. Still spinning about the admin fee - Wow! Especially if that fee is based upon your pay rate just imagine that for a minute with higher rates! Thanks again for the additional issues that need to be resolved.

*For those awaiting for OE enjoy the amazing time off as it's a one off normally and a great opportunity in the ACMI world - very cool. Is it the normal training backlog/available check flyers like most places at times or overstaffing/low demand?

Hope ya'll gain greater compensation, benefits and flexibility in the future.


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