Kalitta, The Bad
11-28-2021, 01:06 AM
#151
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,463
Originally Posted by FAR121
Incorrect. In 121 ops BOTH the Dispatcher AND PIC have 50/50 joint operational control and responsibility. Its not all on the dispatchers lap, both them and the crews have skin in the game.
11-28-2021, 05:25 AM
#152
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2019
Posts: 164
Originally Posted by dera
You need to add a lot more detail to this post. There are tons of "121 ops" where PIC has no operational control.
§ 121.533 Responsibility for operational control: Domestic operations.(a) Each certificate holder conducting domestic operations is responsible for operational control.
(b) The pilot in command and the aircraft dispatcher are jointly responsible for the preflight planning, delay, and dispatch release of a flight in compliance with this chapter and operations specifications.
12-01-2021, 12:28 PM
#154
Holding
Joined APC: Jan 2012
Posts: 208
Originally Posted by FAR121
subpart G air carriers and operators for compensation or hire
§ 121.533 Responsibility for operational control: Domestic operations.(a) Each certificate holder conducting domestic operations is responsible for operational control.
(b) The pilot in command and the aircraft dispatcher are jointly responsible for the preflight planning, delay, and dispatch release of a flight in compliance with this chapter and operations specifications.
§ 121.533 Responsibility for operational control: Domestic operations.(a) Each certificate holder conducting domestic operations is responsible for operational control.
(b) The pilot in command and the aircraft dispatcher are jointly responsible for the preflight planning, delay, and dispatch release of a flight in compliance with this chapter and operations specifications.
You made a minor mistake. It’s ok, we’ve all done it, but please stop doubling down on your use of the incorrect rule.
12-01-2021, 02:15 PM
#155
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: Licking the window
Posts: 461
Why is this even a discussion? If you worked here you would know the answer is in GOM chapter 5. It’s also on the very first page of the OKE question bank.
Please don’t make the sim instructors ask stupid command and control questions at recurrent because you want to quote random FARs.
Please don’t make the sim instructors ask stupid command and control questions at recurrent because you want to quote random FARs.
12-08-2021, 09:08 AM
#156
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
How many were dismissed yesterday
How many employees and pilots got their pink slips? Kind of crazy when a successful company shoots themselves in the foot at the beginning of CNet.
Will those employees who are unionized have any chance of job and seniority recovery now that the mandate was suspended?
Will those employees who are unionized have any chance of job and seniority recovery now that the mandate was suspended?
12-08-2021, 01:02 PM
#157
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 744 CA
Posts: 4,772
Originally Posted by maxjet
How many employees and pilots got their pink slips? Kind of crazy when a successful company shoots themselves in the foot at the beginning of CNet.
Will those employees who are unionized have any chance of job and seniority recovery now that the mandate was suspended?
Will those employees who are unionized have any chance of job and seniority recovery now that the mandate was suspended?
12-08-2021, 01:15 PM
#158
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Gear Slinger
Posts: 708
Originally Posted by maxjet
How many employees and pilots got their pink slips? Kind of crazy when a successful company shoots themselves in the foot at the beginning of CNet.
Will those employees who are unionized have any chance of job and seniority recovery now that the mandate was suspended?
Will those employees who are unionized have any chance of job and seniority recovery now that the mandate was suspended?
12-10-2021, 09:42 PM
#159
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2020
Posts: 72
Originally Posted by MoarAlpha
. It's too bad we didn't make that more clear with the TA vote a year ago.
Now, Sun Country has 737 rates that beat our 767 rates and their 767 rates beat everything else, plus 15% DC. Everyone was so proud of this contract, a lot changes in a few months. I kept telling you guys to slow down and wait.
And the second thing I predicted, is in a year, you can’t find anyone who voted “yes”.
12-11-2021, 10:11 AM
#160
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,483
Just one outside opinion looking in, but amendable dates don't mean a thing when market conditions are shifting this fast and pilot supply is what it is. I can see the logic in both arguments, either voting something down and letting the company come up with another offer, or setting a floor for your next bargaining position while pattern bargaining does its thing.
All that said, no union should be letting their companies contribute a single dime to compensation of any form outside what's in a CBA, because the moment things go sideways is the moment all that goes away. We learned that the hard here at my shop. They want to pay extra, let them come and negotiate and put it in writing.
All that said, no union should be letting their companies contribute a single dime to compensation of any form outside what's in a CBA, because the moment things go sideways is the moment all that goes away. We learned that the hard here at my shop. They want to pay extra, let them come and negotiate and put it in writing.
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