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FL450 06-21-2019 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2840413)
Better job offer. 3 times the pay.

So this is the story you chose... Ok!

nitefr8dog 06-21-2019 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Birdsmash (Post 2840659)
A huge part of ETOPS is the original design criteria of the aircraft and its components. On top of that is the increased maintenance surveillance, inspection, and replacement of critical parts. The statistical odds of shutting down a GE90 are much, much lower than any of the engines powering a B744. During the certification of the B777-300ER Boeing supposedly climbed to altitude after takeoff from KPAE, shutdown an engine, and then flew across the Pacific to Naritta single engine.

In 9+ years of flying the 777 Southern has only 1 engine shutdown. It was an engine that was already on a watch due to the engine monitoring program and it almost made it to the allowed cycles. It was shutdown during the climbout and the aircraft returned to KLAX.

You will find that ETOPS from a pilot perspective is pretty straightforward. You make sure the aircraft is legal to dispatch, the route is within the approved diversion airspace, and the alternates are legal. Prior to entering ETOPS Dispatch double checks the alternate weather/notams and 99% of the time nothing has changed. You enter the ETOPS portion knowing if you do have a problem that you have an almost guaranteed alternate to divert to if there is not a closer/better option. That’s it. ETOPS groundschool over.

Thanks for the GS....I've been doing ETOPS for quite awhile on the 76. Still anything more than 1 engine while overwater is better. JMHO

No Land 3 06-21-2019 03:59 PM

Who cares about the engines, how about the crew rest area on a long flight? 747 can't be beat.

Birdsmash 06-21-2019 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2841024)
Who cares about the engines, how about the crew rest area on a long flight? 747 can't be beat.

Same bunks just stacked instead of separate. The plane will fly 20hr+ with full tanks. 😲

You guys getting a Flag certificate? Definite advantages for the company to have it if flying for DHL.

No Land 3 06-21-2019 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Birdsmash (Post 2841131)
Same bunks just stacked instead of separate. The plane will fly 20hr+ with full tanks. 😲

You guys getting a Flag certificate? Definite advantages for the company to have it if flying for DHL.

Rumored to be the case but heard nothing official.

ocskyguy 06-23-2019 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2841135)
Rumored to be the case but heard nothing official.

Not likely. The conversion to flag means 117 rules. Would make our lives pretty different. No more 16 straight and go home, unless you want to never break guarantee.
Neither purple or brown are flag. It is for a good reason. They want to make money. So do we...

mrvmo 06-24-2019 01:17 AM


Originally Posted by ocskyguy (Post 2842197)
Not likely. The conversion to flag means 117 rules. Would make our lives pretty different. No more 16 straight and go home, unless you want to never break guarantee.
Neither purple or brown are flag. It is for a good reason. They want to make money. So do we...

Not true.....cargo is cut out of the 117 flag rest rules.

cargofast 06-24-2019 01:46 AM


Originally Posted by Birdsmash (Post 2840659)
In 9+ years of flying the 777 Southern has only 1 engine shutdown. It was an engine that was already on a watch due to the engine monitoring program and it almost made it to the allowed cycles. It was shutdown during the climbout and the aircraft returned to KLAX.

Air France lost an engine shortly after rotation in ATL last night on a 77W. Just saying.

742Dash 06-24-2019 02:21 AM


Originally Posted by Birdsmash (Post 2840659)
... The statistical odds of shutting down a GE90 are much, much lower than any of the engines powering a B744. ...

The engines on the 744 are "ETOPS" engines, and the 76/74 share engines -- often literally. On the 748 the fan is clipped, but GE still watches them like a hawk.

I am now living in the ETOPS world, but over a lot of not much I will take the 74 any day. No amount of log book ink is going to replace engines/generators/hyd systems 3 & 4! :D

Birdsmash 06-24-2019 02:43 AM


Originally Posted by ocskyguy (Post 2842197)
Not likely. The conversion to flag means 117 rules. Would make our lives pretty different. No more 16 straight and go home, unless you want to never break guarantee.
Neither purple or brown are flag. It is for a good reason. They want to make money. So do we...

FDX, UPS, Atlas, and Southern have Domestic, Flag, and Supplemental certificates. The type of flight drives which rules the flight operates under. A charter flight by these carriers would take advantage of the Supplemental certificate. The regular flights take advantage of the Domestic/Flag rules which have less restrictive Alternate & fuel requirements.

CFR117 rules don’t apply to cargo. Atlas is unique in that a pilot could fly both pax/cargo and both 117/121 rules in a month.


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