Riverside

So no heavy or Boeing time?

23Cargopilot23

negative, I wish. All part 135 cargo king air typed. 2800ish total time, 1550 TPIC with 1200 in type to be specific. Just wondering if I should count myself out.

goinaround

At K4 I know folks who were: Turbo prop guys with lots of overseas experience and PIC time…..Folks with lots of turbo prop experience with some international boeing time. But if you have lots of turbo prop time that’s limited to the USA…..you’ll probably to put one more notch in your belt. But who knows…..A lot of people have the perfect resume for xxx airline that could never get hired. The opposite is also true.

viking avenger

but saying that, No 121 time, No Boeing Time, and 1200 Hours shy of the Minimum time. I think there are other more suited flying options for your experience level at this time. You have to walk before you run and you're still crawling.

23Cargopilot23

Thanks, I appreciate the insight!

I appreciate you being willing to offer advice, but I’d like to be clear that while I may not meet some of the checkboxes to get an interview-I don’t need the condescending attitude. I’ve had plenty of wide-body international captains jumpseat with me over the years and say my job is more difficult than theirs. Single pilot ifr /A no automation with 3+ hand flown approaches to minimums most days in a decently sized aircraft is not crawling, and it’s not prideful of me to think that I might have a shot at moving up after 3 years of it-especially since I also have a bachelors and have flown crewed, international and had CRM/EFIS/FMS courses to prep me for 121. You can tell me I’m under qualified to apply at this time without talking down to what I do on a daily basis. I’m always willing to work on things to get better as a pilot and be a better applicant, but there are very few people who can do what I do for as long as I have and do it well.

viking avenger

the " walk to run " idiom, was not meant to be condescending. You're gonna need a thicker skin to make it in this game if that is what sets you off. When I had your similar experience level, I too, thought I was ready. Later after more experience, I was hired to fly big metal and then I realized the folly of my sophomoric experience.

dera

Wow, you need to check your attitude.

The next step up for you should be a regional. You need experience in 121 and actually flying FMS and glass. The fact that you say you have taken "courses" in CRM/EFIS/FMS... Well, I wouldnt say that in an interview and expect them to be impressed. Your experience is a good foundation to step up to a regional job. The longer you stay at your current gig, the worse it is for your resume.

Swakid8

I don’t believe anyone is trying to be condescending and really just providing good feedback and setting realistic expectations for ya. With that being said....

You should apply, they worst they can say is no. However being able to hand-fly approaches on steam gauges does not equal operating heavy metal, glass/FMS, in complex international environment. You next move I would recommend would be go check the 121 box at the regionals or lcc for a short period of time.

23Cargopilot23

That’s what I was looking for, I appreciate it. I apologize to others in this thread for taking offense. Rough day and it is incredibly frustrating for someone to insinuate that there’s a step I need to take to somehow be a better pilot when I’ve done everything I can to prepare for the next step. Not everyone’s situation allows them to go to a regional, and LCC haven’t really been hiring people like me and I’ve known plenty of 121 pilots who attested the experience really meant nothing other than on a resume. I have international experience and glass cockpit experience as well as the others, which no doesn’t mean I can just get in a heavy international, so I’m not just being arrogant here. I’m under no impression that I’ll be successful on the transition just because, nor do I feel like I’m owed it, but my job is hard and I’ve developed very good skills because of it. I’ve used those lessons to study and learn about the exact kind of operations kalitta and others do. And I know that there are many like me who have made that transition with no issue because they apply themselves and understand the fundamentals.

I’ve grown accustomed to heavy pilots looking down their noses at pilots in my field when we’re all in aviation, and what I do is not at all easy. I’ve watched many coworkers move up and fly heavies no issue, and many heavy pilots try to come here and absolutely embarrass themselves on the fundamentals and wash out.

I didn’t mean to go overboard. Learning experience for me and I’ll keep it in check. Apologies.

goinaround

His job is no doubt difficult and a lot of K4 pilots would have great trouble with the type of flying he is currently doing. It’s not about being a “bad” or even an “inexperienced” pilot. He just doesn’t know that K4 is a different animal. You could be a weapons school honor grad world’s greatest fighter pilot and the “training” (there’s no training) here will hand you your own a$$. It would be like taking advanced biochemistry before intro to chemistry. Being current and proficient in boeing equipment helps alot in this regard and is why that very thing is the preferred hiring minimum. (Not that people don’t get hired from different backgrounds). You’ve gotta show up ready to pass a boeing check ride……and I feel like that’s going to have to change going forward into the coming pilot shortage…..