Training Questions
 

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Training Footprint
 

Hello all…I am interested in what the new hire training footprint looks like at Kalitta. I understand it is AQP with in-house instructors and they own sims for the 747 and 777. Is that correct? With it being AQP, do the instructors focus on training to proficiency, or is it just a mill and you either “get it or you don’t”?
Very appreciative of any information provided.

When I went through a few years ago, count on being in YIP for 6 weeks. You may have a few days off sprinkled throughout, but not enough to go home. Training is tough. Knock out your CBT’s ASAP and use the rest of the time learning flows and systems because they basically give you the books and say “here ya go” and you’re on your own.

Thanks for that info. How far in advance will the company let you start prepping for training (send you study/class materials)? My situation will be that I have about 2 months prior that I could study.

How does this AQP work? How many sessions do you get?
Is there a big fail rate during initial or IOE?
Do they give extra sessions if needed or MV retakes?
How do you compare 777 training to 747? Is the 777 more user friendly?
How is the overall atmosphere in the 777 training department vs 777?

Those are excellent questions....would really love to hear some of the answers.

It depends on which classs date you agree to during the interview. I was offered October 30th, which gave me 5 weeks. I knew there was a September 30 class & was thankful I was not asked whether I would take it. The extra time allowed me to complete all the online CBT's before training began. My previous airline, brand "X", sent me to training 72 hours after the interview & it forced me to do all the CBTs during training.


HD

I'm in 777 initial training now. I was previously flying 747's. I just completed the SKV, the oral systems knowledge check. It's a 1 on 1 & lasts about 90 minutes.

IDK what the failure rate for IOE is but, as a marker, they expect you to be done w OE in 75 block hours or less or approximately 50% of your scheduled training time. It sounds like a lot, but isn't really. One rotation from LA to Sydney, Singapore, Hong Kong, Nagoya, Japan & finishing in Cincinnati will use up some 43 hours of that.

Some extra time is built into the training program to accommodate those that may need it. One extra sim session, typically. They have no problem booting you if you are not prepared, either during initial or upgrade training. A good portion of upgrade candidates don't upgrade either. It's not just flying, but also not knowing how to use the box.)

I can't give a training comparison between the two types since I was trained at brand "X" in the 74. I can tell you the training here in the 777 is very good.

Without a doubt, the 777 is far more user friendly.: Intuitive electronic checklists, auto-trim with turns, rudder assist with engine failures, etc. Far less overhead buttons & only half the number of engines. Far fewer fuel tanks. A two position gear lever instead of three on the 74. Even APU power transfers automatically whereas, on the 74, you have to do it manually yourself. A lot of triple seven pilots, who go into the 74, mess up APU power transfers because they never had to think about it before......

Great atmosphere in the training department. Curiously, most of the instructors are FO's but they are all very knowledgeable.

When you commence simulator training, you will be graded on a scale from 1 to 4. I hope this helps.


HD

I'm in 777 initial training now. I was previously flying 747's. I just completed the SKV, the oral systems knowledge check. It's a 1 on 1 & lasts about 90 minutes.

Think of AQP like gates you have to go through. It was developed after statistics showed a better way to train pilots while also reducing failure rates. When you go through all the gates, they simply hand you your temporary certificate w a type rating.

IDK what the failure rate for IOE is but, as a marker, they expect you to be done w OE in 75 block hours or less or approximately 50% of your scheduled training time. It sounds like a lot, but isn't really. One rotation from LA to Sydney, Singapore, Hong Kong, Nagoya, Japan & finishing in Cincinnati will use up some 43 hours of that.

Some extra time is built into the training program to accommodate those that may need it. One extra sim session, typically. They have no problem booting you if you are not prepared, either during initial or upgrade training. A good portion of upgrade candidates don't upgrade either. It's not just flying, but also not knowing how to use the box.


I can't give a training comparison between the two types since I was trained at brand "X" in the 74. I can tell you the training here in the 777 is very good.

Without a doubt, the 777 is far more user friendly.: Intuitive electronic checklists, auto-trim with turns, rudder assist with engine failures, etc. Far less overhead buttons & only half the number of engines. Far fewer fuel tanks. A two position gear lever instead of three on the 74. Even APU power transfers automatically whereas, on the 74, you have to do it manually yourself. A lot of triple seven pilots, who go into the 74, mess up APU power transfers because they never had to think about it before......

Great atmosphere in the training department. Curiously, most of the instructors are FO's but they are all very knowledgeable.

When you commence simulator training, you will be graded on a scale from 1 to 4. I hope this helps.


HD

There are some people I know that took 2 goes to get thru sim training, they dont want you to fail. They do go the extra mile normally to help you pass and give many extra hours in the sim if needed or put you with a line pilot to hold your hand thru the sims if needed (there is always one of us who has hit high time and cant fly the line) .

There is also the option if you are marginal at passing the final gates and being put on OPT, which means a 6 month sim check instead of the normal 12 mth. Once you show them you have attained the standard you are put on the normal 12 mth sim checks ..or CQ sessions.