maxjet

As stated above. Ask a Union Rep, not some anonymous person who is perhaps not even a pilot but is sitting in his bathrobe in his Mom's basement! Perhaps after you have done that, you would be good enough to post on here for us all to read
Thank you

Flyboy8088

Perhaps you haven't had your coffee today, or perhaps you have temporarily lost your ability to engage in a conversation without using personal attacks on the characters of other people. Either way, perhaps you should properly read a post, before attacking the poster. This may be the wild, wild west of the internet, but as you normally seem to post that people should not act like dicks on this board, perhaps you should look introspectively in that regard as to your last post.

The original conversation was from propstrike questioning whether the company would actually pay the retro for Dec. Seeming to indicate that he figured it should show up on this upcoming paycheck (tomorrow) if they did. Herc pointed out, correctly, that the retro is in an LOA that is near the end of the TA that was passed. Herc then pointed out that he would see if they followed through, in the beginning of January. My response was to that issue of conversation.

While the LOA does indeed require the company to retroactively apply the pay and min base guarantee to Dec 1st onward, the LOA does not prescribe that the retro would be paid on a specific date. It simply states that it will be paid no later than the second pay period after ratification. This means three things. First of all, the latest that the company can wait to pay the retro is concurrent with the second pay period after ratification. Second, that there is no restriction, after ratification, of the company choosing to pay the retro before that date, so long as the ratification itself has actually occurred. Third, that there is no requirement that the retro itself is in the same paycheck as normal pay periods are in, it could instead be a separate check, if the company so desires. This is based, not on the opinions of some non-pilot in the basement of his mother's house, but instead on the actual mandate of the third section of the applicable LOA.

Therefore, neither Propstrike's implied thought of the retro pay being in the paycheck tomorrow, nor Herc's implied though of the retro pay being in the first paycheck of January are necessarily correct. It could be as late as the second paycheck in January (unless the ratification was not until after the first January pay period, then it could even be the first pay period in February). At the same time, assuming it would be ratified before the applicable implied pay periods (tomorrow or the first one of January), it is also possible that it could be paid on one of those dates, or at any time between then and the latest allowed paycheck.

Remember, that since the first pay check in January is actually for the min base guarantee portion of the second half of December (pro rated down slightly for pay checks being every 14 days, rather than twice a month), even with the contract ratified, the company would still be within their rights to pay the old contract pay rates on that actual first pay check of January. They would not be required to pay the retro additional hourly pay (and prorated portion of the extra 2 hours of monthly guarantee for the month) until the second pay period after ratification. This means, it is possible that we will get checks in early January that still have the old pay rates on them, and this would be perfectly within the contractual rights of the company, even under the new contract. In such a case, the company would only be required to pay the differential of the retro pay on time per the LOA. That was the crux of my point. The company can, as soon as the contract is officially ratified, choose to pay at the new rates, and avoid having to work out retro rates at the later date at all.

In short, my statement that it would be a show of good faith from the company to do so is due to that last part. If the company pushes off its requirement to pay the retro until the second pay period after ratification, then not only would the paycheck tomorrow reflect the old contract rates, but so too would the first paycheck in January. Despite this being perfectly within their contractual rights, there is a fair chance that there will be a lot of VERY angry pilots on the 5th of January, if this happens. Mostly because most will not likely realize that the first mandated paycheck to be natively at the new pay rates wouldn't be until the second one of January, as that would be the first paycheck to actually include hours that by the new contract itself (and not the LOA retro) are at those new rates. In order for the company to avoid this confusion and anger, it would behoove them to simply implement the new pay rates immediately upon ratification, including the retro (at least for the second half of December's min base guarantee, which is paid in early January). This is also within their contractual rights, so long as they do it after the ratification.

Forty5N

I want my KCM and I want my back pay , and I want my signing bonus NOW!
Eff you all! Its all about ME and ME only.

Whew, thanks for the refill.... I needed that!

maxjet

I am not even going to waste time reading your post before responding. You may have very valid remarks regarding our TA.

However, you, I, nor any other of the above posters are neither contract lawyers representing the pilot group,or union representatives.

My point is, you are asking a group you do not know, questions about information that they do not have direct knowledge of. Then, you want to argue your points? Why? Just ask your Union Rep. they will be more than happy to either tell you or refer you to the person who knows.

Regarding my being appropriate. Can you argue with the fact that the people who are posting on here may be non pilots who are lying on the couch in their Moms basement? I am not being mean I am being factual. Sorry if it offends you. Merry Christmas.

Makanakis

Teamster Pilots At Kalitta Air Win Important Workplace Improvements

CargoPirate

For the Kalitta guys......what are the new contract terms that are better than what Atlas or ABX has in their old contract.

I know you guys have a tremendous deal on health insurance for instance. Way better than all the other 1224 carriers. Just trying to figure out in what areas 1224 has advanced the cause in regards to pattern bargaining

sky jet

Well, off the cuff I would say true home basing, 16 day schedule with no junior assignment and new stronger scope protection. Now, I know that high priced lawyers can find holes in any scope deal but our new language should at least protect us from some of the things that have happened to our peers at other 1224 carriers. We can fight all day over the merits of our new pay rates as opposed to some other 121 airlines but I don't think there was much left on the bone unless we wanted to wait another year or more and continue fighting while being under paid the whole time.

Riverside

Did your min guarantee go up at all?

Forty5N

Monthly Guarantee went up 2 hours, to 64.

And, we now have business or better class travel on legs over 3 hours that begin or end outside the conus. A slight perdiem increase. Better language in the training end of things. Better Hotel language. There are a lot of little improvements which on top of the pay make it fairly palatable. Is it industry leading? NO, but it is better in many areas with no major setbacks.

Intel33

How about healthcare? From earlier discussions I thought there was going to be an increased cost, possibly significant.