Not good, not good at all.

6 Years for this? There is no difference.

http://shoebat.com/wp-content/upload...ilet-paper.jpg

This is a contract that should have been signed ten years ago. All this negotioating and this is the best?

I hope this thing gets voted down.

Anyone have a link to the new TA?

Actually looks pretty good!!
I like the pay rates, The Business Class travel, The 16 day's are nice but were stuck with the crazy GSA language, The 6 hr pay for getting home late, Hostile area pay, Same pay for 767 and 747, Much better language! Signing bonus seems weak though. Nothing I see is a deal killer. My vote is Yes!

Yeah, it does seem to clarify "Minimum Consecutive Scheduled Duty Free Days" on pages 101 and 102. Not sure why it's placed on page 93.

Hostile Area Pay, do you really think that's going to amount to much with the company in control? Sounds like the fox will be in charge of the hen house to me.

"The Company will identify and maintain a list of locations identified as
Hostile Areas. The Company may add or remove locations from the list
of locations identified as Hostile Areas."

I think there is quite a bit more to the section then your letting on Former Kalitta.

Why are former Kalitta and Atlas guys trying to submarine our TA?
Let Kalitta Guys decide!!





B. Hostile Areas
1.
Definition of Hostile Area
The term "Hostile Area" means:
a.
Any geographic area so designated by agreement of the Parties; or
b.
A geographic area outside the United States of America in which (i) there
is a declaration of war, active combat operations, or acts of terrorism are
occurring or are imminently threatened at times when Crewmembers are
or would be assigned to such area and (ii) there is a materially higher risk
and an imminent threat of physical harm or danger to Company aircraft
and/or Company personnel as a result thereof.
c.
A smaller geographic unit within a country (e.g., a city) may be identified
as a Hostile Area without rendering the entire country a Hostile Area.
2.
Identification of Hostile Areas
a.
The Company will identify and maintain a list of locations identified as
Hostile Areas. The Company may add or remove locations from the list
of locations identified as Hostile Areas.
b.
The Company will provide the Union with fourteen (14) days notice prior
to the removal of any location from the list of locations identified as
Hostile Areas. The Company shall also notify the Union of any additions
to the list of locations identified as Hostile Areas.
3.
Hostile Area Disputes
a.
If a dispute arises as to whether a location is or is not a Hostile Area,
representatives of the Company and Union shall meet within seven (7)
days of the initial meeting request to attempt resolution. If parties cannot
reach a resolution, within seven (7) days of the meeting, the matter shall
be heard before the first available arbitrator from the standing panel
named in Section 20.
Pending the outcome of the expedited interest arbitration, an area shall
not be designated as a "
Hostile Area;" provided, if the location is
designated as a “Hostile Area,” Crewmembers will receive applicable
Hostile Area compensation on a retroactive basis for trips to and from the
location during the period of time the location was designated as a Hostile
Area by an Arbitrator.

The Atlas boys are trying to defeat our TA because it doesn't benefit THEM. Lets not have short memories. Lets not forget how hard they tried to down any agreement that they didn't approve of just a few short weeks ago. Screw them. This is about US, the Kalitta pilots and ONLY us. The rest of them, those who don't walk on our property nor eat at our table, are just furthering their own agenda and attempting to do so at our expense. See them for what they are...

I've been reading it, and I like it as well. No, it's not perfect, but it's pretty good.