Kalitta TA Released to Members
#31
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I agree with you 100% that it isn't the majority of Atlas pilots. It just isn't. However, there are a few Atlas pilots in the union leadership who in fact would love and have tried, to sabotage a contract for the K4 crews. We all know who they are and what their agenda is. It certainly isn't the betterment of the situation at K4.
I'm sure any K4 people
would be happy to share some bar space with any, with one notable exception, Atlas crew.
I'm sure any K4 people
would be happy to share some bar space with any, with one notable exception, Atlas crew.
#32
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Position: FO
Posts: 525
Been looking at K4 for awhile now and I've considered applying depending upon this TA.
Heard there was language allowing for home basing anywhere in the world and business class tickets on DH? Can someone clarify that?
As for the hostile areas, I agree. That shouldn't be decided by the company, but probably by the state department website, especially if you are working a government contract. I spent a fair amount of time in some of those places, just look at the uplift for certain companies in Africa or the Middle East that technically aren't in the middle of a war.
Thanks in advance.
Heard there was language allowing for home basing anywhere in the world and business class tickets on DH? Can someone clarify that?
As for the hostile areas, I agree. That shouldn't be decided by the company, but probably by the state department website, especially if you are working a government contract. I spent a fair amount of time in some of those places, just look at the uplift for certain companies in Africa or the Middle East that technically aren't in the middle of a war.
Thanks in advance.
#33
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Been looking at K4 for awhile now and I've considered applying depending upon this TA.
Heard there was language allowing for home basing anywhere in the world and business class tickets on DH? Can someone clarify that?
As for the hostile areas, I agree. That shouldn't be decided by the company, but probably by the state department website, especially if you are working a government contract. I spent a fair amount of time in some of those places, just look at the uplift for certain companies in Africa or the Middle East that technically aren't in the middle of a war.
Thanks in advance.
Heard there was language allowing for home basing anywhere in the world and business class tickets on DH? Can someone clarify that?
As for the hostile areas, I agree. That shouldn't be decided by the company, but probably by the state department website, especially if you are working a government contract. I spent a fair amount of time in some of those places, just look at the uplift for certain companies in Africa or the Middle East that technically aren't in the middle of a war.
Thanks in advance.
For business class DH, the company will provide business class or better for any flight segment scheduled to exceed 3 hours flight time, provided it departs from or arrives at an OCONUS location. So if you live in, say, Dallas, and you need to get to ANC, your ticket from DFW-ORD might be in coach but your ORD-ANC leg will be business class (or first, since there is no business class "domestically"). There is also an option for the crewmember to decline the business class travel and take some cash instead ($250 or $500, depending on the length).
I couldn't see the company ever agreeing to your State Department idea, whether that might be a good idea or not. Just glancing at the State website, there are travel warnings for the Philippines, Haiti, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and many other places. In this line of business we would be making hostile area pay for almost every place we go, and that would be a deal-breaker for the company.
Last edited by shroomwell; 11-26-2016 at 06:09 AM.
#34
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Your "Resident Airport" is defined as an airport located within the 48 contiguous states. The RA for Alaska is defined as ANC and the RA for Hawaii is defined as HNL. Pretty sure if you want to live in another country, you're on your own to get yourself to those airports for your company-provided travel. However, the company has historically provided some travel to some crews living overseas from other places, IF it was convenient to the company. That doesn't mean the trend will continue.
For business class DH, the company will provide business class or better for any flight segment scheduled to exceed 3 hours flight time, provided it departs from or arrives at an OCONUS location. So if you live in, say, Dallas, and you need to get to ANC, your ticket from DFW-ORD might be in coach but your ORD-ANC leg will be business class (or first, since there is no business class "domestically"). There is also an option for the crewmember to decline the business class travel and take some cash instead ($250 or $500, depending on the length).
I couldn't see the company ever agreeing to your State Department idea, whether that might be a good idea or not. Just glancing at the State website, there are travel warnings for the Philippines, Haiti, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and many other places. In this line of business we would be making hostile area pay for almost every place we go, and that would be a deal-breaker for the company.
For business class DH, the company will provide business class or better for any flight segment scheduled to exceed 3 hours flight time, provided it departs from or arrives at an OCONUS location. So if you live in, say, Dallas, and you need to get to ANC, your ticket from DFW-ORD might be in coach but your ORD-ANC leg will be business class (or first, since there is no business class "domestically"). There is also an option for the crewmember to decline the business class travel and take some cash instead ($250 or $500, depending on the length).
I couldn't see the company ever agreeing to your State Department idea, whether that might be a good idea or not. Just glancing at the State website, there are travel warnings for the Philippines, Haiti, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and many other places. In this line of business we would be making hostile area pay for almost every place we go, and that would be a deal-breaker for the company.
Piggy backing on this... Our language at Atlas is virtually identical and we attempted to argue that if the military deems the area to be Tax Free/Hostile Fire that it should automatically be Hostile for Atlas. We lost. I'm sure Kalitta will get Iraq and Afghanistan with that language but I wouldn't trust Connie as far as I could throw him for anywhere else.
#35
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Your "Resident Airport" is defined as an airport located within the 48 contiguous states. The RA for Alaska is defined as ANC and the RA for Hawaii is defined as HNL. Pretty sure if you want to live in another country, you're on your own to get yourself to those airports for your company-provided travel. However, the company has historically provided some travel to some crews living overseas from other places, IF it was convenient to the company. That doesn't mean the trend will continue.
For business class DH, the company will provide business class or better for any flight segment scheduled to exceed 3 hours flight time, provided it departs from or arrives at an OCONUS location. So if you live in, say, Dallas, and you need to get to ANC, your ticket from DFW-ORD might be in coach but your ORD-ANC leg will be business class (or first, since there is no business class "domestically"). There is also an option for the crewmember to decline the business class travel and take some cash instead ($250 or $500, depending on the length).
I couldn't see the company ever agreeing to your State Department idea, whether that might be a good idea or not. Just glancing at the State website, there are travel warnings for the Philippines, Haiti, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and many other places. In this line of business we would be making hostile area pay for almost every place we go, and that would be a deal-breaker for the company.
For business class DH, the company will provide business class or better for any flight segment scheduled to exceed 3 hours flight time, provided it departs from or arrives at an OCONUS location. So if you live in, say, Dallas, and you need to get to ANC, your ticket from DFW-ORD might be in coach but your ORD-ANC leg will be business class (or first, since there is no business class "domestically"). There is also an option for the crewmember to decline the business class travel and take some cash instead ($250 or $500, depending on the length).
I couldn't see the company ever agreeing to your State Department idea, whether that might be a good idea or not. Just glancing at the State website, there are travel warnings for the Philippines, Haiti, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and many other places. In this line of business we would be making hostile area pay for almost every place we go, and that would be a deal-breaker for the company.
The key though on the second part is the % uplift, not travel warnings. My company for example works government and private contracts (we are not 121). The government contracts follow the state department recommendations, which is already allotted for in the contract when it is written and should be paid for by the government anyways. I never understood why that rule doesn't seem to apply to the 121 supplemental as it does do the PT 91 and 135 operators like MAG-D, Berry, and L3. Our commercial contracts abroad just pay our standard overseas rate and carry tax advantages with no uplift.
But again, sorry I didn't clarify earlier. I'm just spit balling here and pointing out what government contracts pay abroad. Philippines and Saudi, actually don't have a danger or hazard % uplift at all, only hardship differential (which you wouldn't qualify since you are only there for a few days.) Haiti and Mexico have a 15% uplift. To be honest Mindanao (the southernmost major island of PH) probably should, though I don't think any of the strips on that island can handle a 747 anyways. Just to give you more examples of the places K4 might commonly flies too, UAE, UK, France, Bahrain, and HKG all of which have zero uplift.
Here is the website.
https://aoprals.state.gov/web920/loc...asp?menu_id=95
Thanks again.
#36
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The Atlas boys are trying to defeat our TA because it doesn't benefit THEM. Lets not have short memories. Lets not forget how hard they tried to down any agreement that they didn't approve of just a few short weeks ago. Screw them. This is about US, the Kalitta pilots and ONLY us. The rest of them, those who don't walk on our property nor eat at our table, are just furthering their own agenda and attempting to do so at our expense. See them for what they are...
The only reason a pilot group's CBA is sub-standard at this point is because they allow it to be (this statement not only applies to Kalitta, but Atlas as well).
#38
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That's some pretty strong words for a union member to spout about his fellow union brothers and sisters. But, maybe unionism isn't your thing. Maybe it's all about you. Maybe that's why we didn't see you walking the line this week during the ABX strike. Maybe it's easier for you to point your finger at your fellow union members and blame us for your lot in life when we all know that only Connie Kalitta controls your destiny. Using any Atlas pilots as a scapegoat for your contract woes is disgusting and it's wrong.
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#39
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Check the posts on the Kalitta hiring thread around August 27-28th. Someone posted the pay scales then and they should be the ones that ended up in the TA.
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2 167.14 175.49 182.51 191.64
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5 207.89 218.28 227.01 238.36
6 214.01 224.71 233.70 245.38
7 220.13 231.14 240.38 252.40
8 226.24 237.55 247.05 259.40
9 232.36 243.98 253.74 266.42
10 238.45 250.37 260.39 273.41
11 244.57 256.80 267.08 280.43
12 249.67 262.16 272.64 286.28
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2 113.65 119.33 124.10 130.31
3 131.66 138.24 143.77 150.96
4 135.81 142.60 148.31 155.72
5 141.36 148.43 154.37 162.08
6 145.51 152.79 158.90 166.85
7 149.70 157.18 163.47 171.64
8 153.84 161.53 167.99 176.39
9 158.01 165.91 172.54 181.17
10 162.15 170.25 177.06 185.92
11 165.39 173.65 180.60 189.63
12 168.70 177.14 184.22 193.43
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