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727C47 11-26-2016 09:50 AM

Good on you K4 brothers and sisters !!! : )

NikeBuddy 11-26-2016 10:58 AM

Do you have RIG?? Rates mean very little with no CRT/RIG!! Don't fall for it if that TINY little detail is missing!

JonnyKnoxville 11-26-2016 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by NikeBuddy (Post 2250392)
Do you have RIG?? Rates mean very little with no CRT/RIG!! Don't fall for it if that TINY little detail is missing!

No rigs....

JonnyKnoxville 11-26-2016 11:32 AM

Delta and United 747 - Captain
Year 2017 2018 2019
1 303.10 312.22 324.69
2 305.55 314.75 327.32
3 308.07 317.34 330.02
4 310.53 319.89 332.66
5 313.03 322.45 335.33
6 315.49 324.99 337.97
7 317.97 327.55 340.63
8 320.43 330.08 343.26
9 322.91 332.63 345.92
10 325.36 335.16 348.55
11 327.84 337.71 351.20
12 330.33 340.28 353.87

Kalitta Captain
Years DOS DOS+1 DOS+2 DOS+3
1 130.80 137.34 142.84 149.98
2 167.14 175.49 182.51 191.64
3 193.63 203.31 211.44 222.01
4 199.75 209.74 218.13 229.03
5 207.89 218.28 227.01 238.36
6 214.01 224.71 233.70 245.38
7 220.13 231.14 240.38 252.40
8 226.24 237.55 247.05 259.40
9 232.36 243.98 253.74 266.42
10 238.45 250.37 260.39 273.41
11 244.57 256.80 267.08 280.43
12 249.67 262.16 272.64 286.28

Delta and United 747 - First Officer
Year 2017 2018 2019
1 85.71 88.29 91.82
2 163.50 168.42 175.15
3 191.32 197.08 204.95
4 195.95 201.85 209.91
5 200.63 206.67 214.92
6 205.71 211.90 220.36
7 211.43 217.80 226.50
8 216.28 222.79 231.69
9 218.63 225.21 234.20
10 221.60 228.28 237.39
11 223.60 230.33 239.53
12 225.64 232.43 241.72

Kalitta First Officer
Years DOS DOS+1 DOS+2 DOS+3
1 101.56 106.63 110.90 116.44
2 113.65 119.33 124.10 130.31
3 131.66 138.24 143.77 150.96
4 135.81 142.60 148.31 155.72
5 141.36 148.43 154.37 162.08
6 145.51 152.79 158.90 166.85
7 149.70 157.18 163.47 171.64
8 153.84 161.53 167.99 176.39
9 158.01 165.91 172.54 181.17
10 162.15 170.25 177.06 185.92
11 165.39 173.65 180.60 189.63
12 168.70 177.14 184.22 193.43

Stimpy the Kat 11-26-2016 11:45 AM

- Less than Industry Average pay.

- Sub-Standard per diem.

- No Overrides.

- No solid scheduling rules. Jungle law still applies.

- No Rigs of any sort.

- Health Insurance increases astronomically.

- Poorly written language.

- Duty Day Increases.

- etc., etc., etc.

Not acceptable in the current and coming environment.

Not to worry though. It will pass by a large margin as people are "tired" and only care about the additional income they will gain , or are losing for every delay, per month.

Personal pride and QOL have no place in the collective decision making process at Kalitta Air LLC.

All about the Benjamins. No matter how few they may be.

NikeBuddy 11-26-2016 11:45 AM

You're better than this guys! The iron has NEVER been hotter. You are voting yourself in zero work rules with rates that are meant to dazzle you ($70 hour below DAL/UAL!!) Funny they think that will actually dazzle you. Your rates are worth zip with no RIG. Good luck guys, do not be afraid to vote this down. Fear is not a winning position to vote from. Though, I am very glad you all at least get a vote...that vote can be NO.

Stimpy the Kat 11-26-2016 12:06 PM

Sorry...the "Dazzling" is complete.

Predicted 70 % pass rate +/- 4 point spread.

HercDriver130 11-26-2016 12:37 PM

What industry... Atlas/Kalitta/ABX is our segment of the industry. Guys who dream of UPS/DAL/AA/FEDEX payrates and work rules need to work at places such as that... Kalitta is not now.. nor will it ever be a company such as that.....the business models and segments of the industry carriers such as Atlas/Kalitta/ABX fly in are VASTLY different than those of UPS/FEDEX or DAL... I could give a **** what a DAL FO or CA makes... I am interested in what a ATALS or ABX CA makes...

Stimpy the Kat 11-26-2016 01:10 PM

" Kalitta is not now.. nor will it ever be a company such as that."

That is correct, and nor shall you be worthy of "that"....By your own ( above ) Declaration of Self- Worth.

:(

Ejected 11-26-2016 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 2250441)
. I could give a **** what a DAL FO or CA makes... I am interested in what a ATALS or ABX CA makes...

So I'm guessing you only follow the Special Olympics.....


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