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Old 07-15-2019, 07:09 PM
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Old 01-18-2024, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LRSRanger View Post
Are you freaking kidding me? Maybe if you have a raging coke habit, or you want to live in Medina...

I fly out of the Seattle area, 2 new cars, an airplane, and enough money to have a decent life. Family of 5, growing kids with school expenditures etc. 401K is getting maxed, and I'm under 200K.

I'd love to make 300K, but to say you can't do it on 200 or less just means you are financially foolish.
Says the guy here with an airplane, two new cars, funding his kids future, max 401k, etc... Maybe wifey also works with better paying professional job than you? Family, or expensive child care looks over your kids when gone? I might then believe it.
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Old 01-18-2024, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by screamin jet View Post
Says the guy here with an airplane, two new cars, funding his kids future, max 401k, etc... Maybe wifey also works with better paying professional job than you? Family, or expensive child care looks over your kids when gone? I might then believe it.
You're quoting a post from six years ago, might need to adjust for (significant) inflation.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
You're quoting a post from six years ago, might need to adjust for (significant) inflation.
He's not wrong. Pilot jobs today DO NOT pay enough. While conditions have improved, the pay and benefits do not meet the miniums we deserve for the amount of work we do. Think of all the stress we endure managing the day-to-day while moving the metal safely from A to B. We wear many hats during our workday: operators, managers, counselors, and most of all, problem solvers. Plus, all the sacrifices to get here -- financial and family -- and it really does not come close to enough.

We cannot settle for "good enough". Had we done that just within the last year during negotiations, we'd be at even a lesser spot than where we are right now. We must protect the profession and continue to raise the bar for each other and the future. By raising our quality of life and compensation, and by keeping the barriers to entry high, we will attract top talent and entice young people to become pilots.

We do important work that's vital to the economy and connects people during their most important life moments. Never settle for less.
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Old 01-19-2024, 03:36 PM
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Nope. If you can't live on less than two hundred thousand dollars, then most of the world, which manages to do so every day, won't cry for you.
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Nope. If you can't live on less than two hundred thousand dollars, then most of the world, which manages to do so every day, won't cry for you.
Just because $200k might be a lot of money to a lot of people out there doesn’t mean we shouting continue to raise the bar and get as much as we can. We have worked for a whole lot more than that. We have earned it.
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Jesus, and here I thought the age 67 post was the most entitled thing I have seen on here. But this thread is a hold my beer moment.
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Old 01-19-2024, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PipeMan View Post
He's not wrong. Pilot jobs today DO NOT pay enough. While conditions have improved, the pay and benefits do not meet the miniums we deserve for the amount of work we do. Think of all the stress we endure managing the day-to-day while moving the metal safely from A to B. We wear many hats during our workday: operators, managers, counselors, and most of all, problem solvers. Plus, all the sacrifices to get here -- financial and family -- and it really does not come close to enough.

We cannot settle for "good enough". Had we done that just within the last year during negotiations, we'd be at even a lesser spot than where we are right now. We must protect the profession and continue to raise the bar for each other and the future. By raising our quality of life and compensation, and by keeping the barriers to entry high, we will attract top talent and entice young people to become pilots.

We do important work that's vital to the economy and connects people during their most important life moments. Never settle for less.
I want everyone to make as much money as humanly possible in this career, but we're not curing cancer here or producing some technology that affects humanity. Tons of people study, work, go into debt, and sacrifice for their career. To a person of all my friends in other careers, my work:$ ratio is laughable - not even close to the others in comparison. Am I lucky, timed it right, have some perspective? Who knows. But I do know that what I make for the amount I work is incredible. In good conscience, I could never feel that I deserve more. I wouldn't say that out loud. I want to be paid as much as possible, but good god I make a lot for what I do.
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Originally Posted by 60av8tor View Post
I want everyone to make as much money as humanly possible in this career, but we're not curing cancer here or producing some technology that affects humanity. Tons of people study, work, go into debt, and sacrifice for their career. To a person of all my friends in other careers, my work:$ ratio is laughable - not even close to the others in comparison. Am I lucky, timed it right, have some perspective? Who knows. But I do know that what I make for the amount I work is incredible. In good conscience, I could never feel that I deserve more. I wouldn't say that out loud. I want to be paid as much as possible, but good god I make a lot for what I do.
I agree that we should be grateful for having a job that most of us enjoy doing, but I think you should have more confidence and pride in your abilities and position. While we may not be curing any diseases, we're also not working a cushy tech job from home making mid-6 figures either. We have to be compensated not only for our skills and the training it took to get here, but also for all the "ugly" parts of the job. All the traveling, medical issues, a cyclical industry, and for many of us, leaving our familes for days at a time.

I recommend you do some self reflection and think of where you see yourself in the future. I think if you do that, you can see how you will deserve more. I would not say out loud you're overpaid or don't do much at all. People should know we work our butts off for the pennies we make.
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Originally Posted by PipeMan View Post
Just because $200k might be a lot of money to a lot of people out there doesn’t mean we shouting continue to raise the bar and get as much as we can. We have worked for a whole lot more than that. We have earned it.
Sure, we all would like to be paid a zillion dollars per year. But today, due to the pilot shortage, most pilots are well paid. If you don't think so, compare yourself to the median household income of $70,000.

You remind me of a medical doctor who told me he was poorly paid. Expensive training, long hours, yes. But poorly paid?
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