If being a pilot is so bad...
01-28-2009, 03:54 PM
#121
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Posts: 5,709
Originally Posted by Learflyer
It took me years to make just 52,000. ( that's because I was Fractional) Is there something wrong with me? You KNOW it's all luck and timing.
01-28-2009, 04:42 PM
#122
Self Employed.
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Choice
Originally Posted by Learflyer
It took me years to make just 52,000. ( that's because I was Fractional) Is there something wrong with me? You KNOW it's all luck and timing.
Originally Posted by Airhoss
If you were flying professionally during the last 20 years you had the correct timing. Especially in the 90's. What you chose to do with it was your own business.
SkyHigh
01-30-2009, 07:58 PM
#123
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: NU Guy
Posts: 437
I promised some #'s awhile back looks like ALPA has already done the work. APM145 steered me to the website clearedtodream.org.
I copied & pasted a few bits from the website enjoy. If you can bear ouch.
" • The average ALPA legacy captain is 52 years old with 21 years of service and earns about $155,000 annually.
• The average ALPA non-legacy captain is 49 years old with 16 years of service and earns about $144,000 annually.
• The average ALPA regional captain is 40 years old with 10 years of service and earns about $70,000 annually.
• The average ALPA cargo captain is 51 years old with 17 years of service and earns about $200,000 annually."
"• The average ALPA legacy first officer is 45 years old with 12 years of service and a yearly salary of about $105,000.
• The average ALPA non-legacy first officer is 42 years old with 6 years of service and a yearly salary of about $83,000.
• The average ALPA regional first officer is 32 years old with 3 years of service and a yearly salary of about $33,000.
• The average ALPA cargo first officer is 45 years old with 7 years of service and a yearly salary of about $121,000."
I copied & pasted a few bits from the website enjoy. If you can bear ouch.
"Airline pilots, because of FAA regulations, cannot fly more than 100 hours a month or more than a total of 1000 hours per year. Most airline pilots average around 75 hours of flying a month. Pilots spend several hours each day between flights waiting for their aircraft or waiting for flight delays to clear. These duty hours are not paid. A 75-hour flight month may also have about 140 duty hours and approximately 360 hours away from base."
" • The average ALPA legacy captain is 52 years old with 21 years of service and earns about $155,000 annually.
• The average ALPA non-legacy captain is 49 years old with 16 years of service and earns about $144,000 annually.
• The average ALPA regional captain is 40 years old with 10 years of service and earns about $70,000 annually.
• The average ALPA cargo captain is 51 years old with 17 years of service and earns about $200,000 annually."
"• The average ALPA legacy first officer is 45 years old with 12 years of service and a yearly salary of about $105,000.
• The average ALPA non-legacy first officer is 42 years old with 6 years of service and a yearly salary of about $83,000.
• The average ALPA regional first officer is 32 years old with 3 years of service and a yearly salary of about $33,000.
• The average ALPA cargo first officer is 45 years old with 7 years of service and a yearly salary of about $121,000."
01-30-2009, 08:10 PM
#124
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: FAA 'Flight Check'
Posts: 13,837
Originally Posted by Ski Patrol
I promised some #'s awhile back looks like ALPA has already done the work. APM145 steered me to the website clearedtodream.org.
I copied & pasted a few bits from the website enjoy. If you can bear ouch.
" • The average ALPA legacy captain is 52 years old with 21 years of service and earns about $155,000 annually.
• The average ALPA non-legacy captain is 49 years old with 16 years of service and earns about $144,000 annually.
• The average ALPA regional captain is 40 years old with 10 years of service and earns about $70,000 annually.
• The average ALPA cargo captain is 51 years old with 17 years of service and earns about $200,000 annually."
"• The average ALPA legacy first officer is 45 years old with 12 years of service and a yearly salary of about $105,000.
• The average ALPA non-legacy first officer is 42 years old with 6 years of service and a yearly salary of about $83,000.
• The average ALPA regional first officer is 32 years old with 3 years of service and a yearly salary of about $33,000.
• The average ALPA cargo first officer is 45 years old with 7 years of service and a yearly salary of about $121,000."
I copied & pasted a few bits from the website enjoy. If you can bear ouch.
"Airline pilots, because of FAA regulations, cannot fly more than 100 hours a month or more than a total of 1000 hours per year. Most airline pilots average around 75 hours of flying a month. Pilots spend several hours each day between flights waiting for their aircraft or waiting for flight delays to clear. These duty hours are not paid. A 75-hour flight month may also have about 140 duty hours and approximately 360 hours away from base."
" • The average ALPA legacy captain is 52 years old with 21 years of service and earns about $155,000 annually.
• The average ALPA non-legacy captain is 49 years old with 16 years of service and earns about $144,000 annually.
• The average ALPA regional captain is 40 years old with 10 years of service and earns about $70,000 annually.
• The average ALPA cargo captain is 51 years old with 17 years of service and earns about $200,000 annually."
"• The average ALPA legacy first officer is 45 years old with 12 years of service and a yearly salary of about $105,000.
• The average ALPA non-legacy first officer is 42 years old with 6 years of service and a yearly salary of about $83,000.
• The average ALPA regional first officer is 32 years old with 3 years of service and a yearly salary of about $33,000.
• The average ALPA cargo first officer is 45 years old with 7 years of service and a yearly salary of about $121,000."
I might work 250+ duty hours a month and on some months may spend the same amount of time at least "away from base" and most of the numbers above are more than I make with less years of work *experience*
USMCFLYR
01-30-2009, 08:24 PM
#125
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: NU Guy
Posts: 437
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Ouch? I might work 250+ duty hours a month and on some months may spend the same amount of time at least "away from base" and most of the numbers above are more than I make with less years of work *experience*
USMCFLYR
I might work 250+ duty hours a month and on some months may spend the same amount of time at least "away from base" and most of the numbers above are more than I make with less years of work *experience*USMCFLYR
01-31-2009, 07:06 AM
#126
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: FAA 'Flight Check'
Posts: 13,837
Originally Posted by Ski Patrol
I'm sorry to hear that. Course you get housing allowances medical etc. and fly an F-18 it's still not enough though. Especially considering your expertise and sacrifice. Best of luck.
USMCFLYR
02-19-2009, 12:01 PM
#127
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 184
Keep in mind that there are plenty of people out there, in non flying jobs, wishing they made $70K, or $87K. There are plenty of people out there right now, just like pilots, struggling, or recently laid off, with no job prospects, at the moment. The grass isn't really any greener. If you don't like the airline pilot career, due to the lifestyle, that is all good, as it isn't for everybody. BUT, realistically, from an income standpoint, if anybody thinks that the average American is making six figures, or even $70-80K, you are wrong. If it were that easy to make so much money, than we wouldn't be in the economic mess we are in, and people wouldn't be worried about losing their jobs, because that six figure job is right there, waiting for them.
You might can get a job making $35-40K right from the start, working for a bank, but where are you, in that job, 5-10 years down the road? Realistically, probably not making six figures. I know tons of people who work out there in corporate America, who are struggling to climb the corporate ladder, who have been working in their respective careers for 10+ years, and are pulling down the same kind of salaries that young 20-something RJ captains are making, after just several years.
There are ups and downs in any career. The airline pilot career isn't all rosey, and glamerous, like some may think, and it may not be the $500K/year career some seem to obviously have gotten into it for, but it isn't any more worse off than the average American, in their careers, either. Do a quick google of average American salaries, and you may be surprised; some of you seem to think that huge salaries, and stable jobs are plentiful in the non flying world. A lot of people are wishing that was true, at the moment.
You might can get a job making $35-40K right from the start, working for a bank, but where are you, in that job, 5-10 years down the road? Realistically, probably not making six figures. I know tons of people who work out there in corporate America, who are struggling to climb the corporate ladder, who have been working in their respective careers for 10+ years, and are pulling down the same kind of salaries that young 20-something RJ captains are making, after just several years.
There are ups and downs in any career. The airline pilot career isn't all rosey, and glamerous, like some may think, and it may not be the $500K/year career some seem to obviously have gotten into it for, but it isn't any more worse off than the average American, in their careers, either. Do a quick google of average American salaries, and you may be surprised; some of you seem to think that huge salaries, and stable jobs are plentiful in the non flying world. A lot of people are wishing that was true, at the moment.
02-20-2009, 07:14 PM
#128
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: NU Guy
Posts: 437
Originally Posted by ChrisH
There are ups and downs in any career. The airline pilot career isn't all rosey, and glamerous, like some may think, and it may not be the $500K/year career some seem to obviously have gotten into it for, but it isn't any more worse off than the average American, in their careers, either. Do a quick google of average American salaries, and you may be surprised; some of you seem to think that huge salaries, and stable jobs are plentiful in the non flying world. A lot of people are wishing that was true, at the moment.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
