SkyHigh

I too could be an airline captain by now if I were willing to flame everything else in my life. We all make choices.

I never said that it couldn't be done only that the current price is to high and rewards to low.

Skyhigh

Airhoss

Or not.........

But you already know that Sh. Your sage comments are a large dose of rationalization mixed with a small percentage of fact.

JohnBurke

The best thing you ever did for the flying community was leave.

The worst thing you've done is to keep coming back.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Sure, you could have been an airline captain. Could have been President of the United States. Could have been a lot of things that you're...not.

You quit. It's easy to say you coulda been a contender. But you never were. Now you haunt the forums, unsatisfied until the entire free world sheds a collective tear at the sorrow of your martyrdom.

Look, it's skyhigh. So sad. Don't you feel sad? I do. He tried so hard, and the world was against him. It's this terrible industry, don't you think? I do. The tens of thousands who are enjoying a successful career are mere aberrations, and we're fortunate that the good Lord sent us someone like skyhigh to save the minions from a fate like his. Tell it again, skyhigh. We're listening, we're with you. We grieve with you. Your tragedy is our tragedy. So sad. So, so sad. Don't you feel sad?

Airhoss

I feel sad for Skyhigh,

According to his stories of woe, he grew up in a neighborhood where everybody's dad was an airline pilot for a major airline. And every single one of those fathers had careers that ended in financial ruination and social isolation. So sad.

He was told by a UAL captain whom he just happen to be riding on his STOL Cessna 207 in AK that he'd never have a chance at working for an airline. So sad.

He actually said publicly that the C-207 with a STOL kit is a "tricky" airplane to fly. Now that really is sad.

All of the children of airline pilots (who lost their careers and lived on in social isolation) were subsequently hired by major airlines because their dads got them their jobs. So sad.

We could go on but the truth of the matter is that Skyhigh is a pathetic little whiner, and a big time loser. He comes here looking for sympathy. Here's a hint Skyhigh, you can find sympathy in the dictionary right between schit and syphilis.

JohnBurke

Why did you have to go and do that? Now I'm really sad. I was going to spend the day sealing a fuel tank, and may be take off for a pulled pork sandwich at lunch time. I was really looking forward to that. Now I'll probably sit at home on the kitchen floor with my knees drawn up to my chest and rock back and forth, and mourn for skyhigh. Damn it.

No, now that I think about it, may be not. It is really sad (I mean terribly so), and tragic, and in fact a horrible way to go, but all isn't entirely lost. Not for me, anyway. I can still have that sandwich, and I will be spending the day at the airport. I am doing something that I enjoy and it does pay embarrassingly well. Today will be a bit messy and I may spend part of it higher than a kite (toluene does that), but it beats the hell out of sitting behind a desk, and the flying is spectacular. In fact, I should have a really, really stellar day. So...I'll try to pause briefly for some fresh air, and make a note to mourn for skyhigh, even if for just a second. It is very sad, after all.

SkyHigh

Hoss, John,

Naw, I just really like you guys and enjoy your constructive criticism. Where else can one get such a harsh dose of honesty but from their true friends like you guys.

Those of us who may be stuck at a regional or who may have lost their families and financial security in the pursuit of aviation need tough conservative guys like you to tell us "how it is". To remind guys like me that "we just are not good enough" and how the earnest "pull themselves up by their bootstraps". We need to know that position and nepotism only makes things harder for true Americans like you.

Keep it coming. You can do better.

I still harbor thoughts that I can do better than what aviation is currently offering. It still seems like an unworthy place to invest myself. Tell me how 9-11, airline mergers, and the age 65 thing was my peer groups fault. Tell the young tales of how guys just a few years ago were getting into the regionals with just a few hundred hours and now they need the extra punishment of 1500 hours and expensive ATP training added to the pile. You need to continue to beat us down until we understand how we are too arrogant to experience down grades and pay cuts at the legacy carriers. We need to strip down our personal lives and expectations till there is little left and lay it upon the alter of aviation if we expect to succeed. Modern aviation is not a profession where one should expect a financial and personal life return but more of a calling, a religion. Only those who can put the blinders on will prevail.

Help us to learn.

Skyhigh

JohnBurke

No, you don't. Nobody could tell you anything. You spend your time whining and placing blame on everyone but you. Entitlement and lack of responsibility are your calling cards. It's the industry's fault, but never yours.

Yes, you've said so a thousand times. You've said many times that aviation used to be the place where pilots lived like kings, but no more. So you got out.

How's your life now, king?

The only one who has said such a thing is you. If that's what you believe, then say so.

It's all about placing blame and finding fault, for you. Always in search of somewhere to point the finger.

When something is in the road, you go around it, or you stop. You can hit it at your peril, but that may end your journey. Likewise, when your career hits a challenge, you can do something about it; move to a different company, seek greater levels of certification, take a different position, lots of things, or you can whine that the sky is falling cry "poor me," and blame the industry. You choose the latter. It's all about fault for you.

This is why you didn't make it as a pilot. As pilot in command, we learn that the buck stops with us. It's our responsibility to ensure the safe outcome of the flight, and as employed pilots, it's OUR responsibility to take care of our careers...not to wait for the career to take care of us. You don't seem to understand personal responsibility.

You do seem to understand martyrdom, as you've wholly embraced it.

The ATP has long been 1,500 hours. Get over it. Punishment of 1,500 hours? Again, this is why you failed.

Young tales? What are "young tales?"

There was a brief while when the little curtain climbers managed to climb on with a regional with a few hundred hours...and many of them are stuck because they didn't bother seeking experience and qualification first, and lack the experience to bounce elsewhere without falling back. That's the consequence of attempting to run before you're able to walk, or walk before learning to crawl.

1,500 hours IS low time.

Who owes you an ATP, and who owes you 1,500 hours. Go figure out how to get it on your own. If you can't do that, good riddance, because you definitely don't belong in aviation.

That would be a colossal waste of time. By "us," we refer to you.

You didn't come here to learn.

You've nothing to teach. Not even failure, though that's your legacy; you would have to admit your failings before you could learn even from those, let alone teach it.

Your faltering attempt at teaching isn't really so; it's merely a twisted gospel of disappointment, with nothing to offer but lies and incorrect ideas.

Airhoss

I just want know what fantasy land our whinny little drama queen lived where virtually every other dad was an airline captain? What flight school did he attend where airline captains continuously came by and spread false hope and industry sunshine. The really funny part however is when he gets pasted into corner under a ton of his own BS he invariably tries to dig out with the time proven poor me schtick and the pathetic, I thought you guys were my friends line...

SkyHigh

You are fun Hoss.

So what you are saying is that aviation has always been a miserable hole to throw ones life into and we should be happy to pull our selves up by the bootstraps and jump in?

You are right. I Sadly do hold higher expectations of myself. It is pathetic that I will not give myself to be cannon fodder for the profession.

You should give the motivational speeches at aviation universities. I am sure that your assertions about the profession would clear the room far faster then I could.

SkyHigh

Airhoss

No not really but I am not surprised that you interpret it that way. What I am saying is that your are full of it. There is no way that your background stories are factual and if there is the slightest amount of factual basis in them, you've embellished them to a high degree to make your arguments sound stronger than they are.

To a clear thinking, sane person there is NO WAY that my above statement can be interpreted any other way.

Plain and simple when we take the PC icing off the Skyhigh cake. You are a despondent loser, and a liar who is obsessed with trying to rationalize his failures in life.

I hope that was clear enough for you.

PS

I do like how you've now slipped the age 65 thing into your tales of woe...AGE 65 had NOTHING to do with you. You had washed out, curled up into the fetal position, and started sucking your thumb in defeat, LONG before age 65 came about. Lets try keep it real. A tall order for you I know but try.