Wanting to leave but not sure what to do
11-18-2015, 05:39 AM
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Wanting to leave but not sure what to do
Hi,
I'm new here and I need advice. Been working for a South American airline for the past 8+ years, over a year now as as a A320 captain. My wife is European and we've been considering for a while now to move to Europe. My job here isn't bad, I like it, but the pay really isn't good (compared to airlines from other countries), I work a LOT and I'd just like to be more at home. On top of that, the country we live isn't really safe, armed robberies are quite normal here (has happened twice to my wife, once to me).
The problem is- If we move to Europe, I really don't know what to do professionally. Did some research and it looks pretty difficult to find a job in an airline over there, since they usually ask for citizenship and the EASA certificate. Plus, not sure if I even want to keep working for a commercial airline. I've been thinking about many things- Work for a cargo company, work as a private pilot, work on the ground, work in a field completely different, start my own company. But I don't know what exactly that could mean.
Does anyone have any advice for me? What alternative careers could be possible for me? What did you do after leaving aviation?
Thank you.
I'm new here and I need advice. Been working for a South American airline for the past 8+ years, over a year now as as a A320 captain. My wife is European and we've been considering for a while now to move to Europe. My job here isn't bad, I like it, but the pay really isn't good (compared to airlines from other countries), I work a LOT and I'd just like to be more at home. On top of that, the country we live isn't really safe, armed robberies are quite normal here (has happened twice to my wife, once to me).
The problem is- If we move to Europe, I really don't know what to do professionally. Did some research and it looks pretty difficult to find a job in an airline over there, since they usually ask for citizenship and the EASA certificate. Plus, not sure if I even want to keep working for a commercial airline. I've been thinking about many things- Work for a cargo company, work as a private pilot, work on the ground, work in a field completely different, start my own company. But I don't know what exactly that could mean.
Does anyone have any advice for me? What alternative careers could be possible for me? What did you do after leaving aviation?
Thank you.
11-18-2015, 05:52 AM
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Some people on the forum advocate that a professional pilot has no transferrable skills outside of the cockpit.
I absolutely do not agree. I always say that even if you look at the tenets of CRM (at least those presented below as Naval Aviation views them), all of those skills are HIGHLY sought after in the job market outside of aviation. Obviously if looking at some employment opportunities inside of aviation, other than being a pilot, those skills carry even more weight.
Part of the problem made be this attitude of thinking that piloting/aviation skills are non-transferrable, or it may be in a lack of understnading how to *market* those piloting/aviation skills to employers who are not familiar with aviation. But imagine this list of CRM skills and tell me if an outside employer would not find them desirable:
It seems that this attitude is often found from those leaving the military who think that their particular job in the military has few opportunities on the outside (think NBC officer or something); but many companies worry less about your particular occupational speciality and concentrate more on your overall military training and the traits that often accompany military training/service.
I absolutely do not agree. I always say that even if you look at the tenets of CRM (at least those presented below as Naval Aviation views them), all of those skills are HIGHLY sought after in the job market outside of aviation. Obviously if looking at some employment opportunities inside of aviation, other than being a pilot, those skills carry even more weight.
Part of the problem made be this attitude of thinking that piloting/aviation skills are non-transferrable, or it may be in a lack of understnading how to *market* those piloting/aviation skills to employers who are not familiar with aviation. But imagine this list of CRM skills and tell me if an outside employer would not find them desirable:
S = Situational Awareness
A = Assertiveness
D = Decision Making
C = Communication
L = Leadership
A = Adaptability/Flexibility
M = Mission Analysis
Situational Awareness:
The degree of accuracy by which one’s perception of the current environment mirrors reality.
"The ignition failed after hitting a bump in the road, is this normal? This can't be normal! …which leads us to assertiveness."
Assertiveness:
The willingness to actively participate, state, and maintain a position until convinced by the facts that other options are better.
"This ignition is broken and presents a hazard to our customers. We need to fix this now!"
Decision Making:
The ability to choose a course of action using logical and sound judgment based on the available information.
"I will not allow this project to move forward until this defect is fixed!"
Communication:
The ability to clearly and accurately send and receive information, instructions, or commands; and provide useful feedback.
"This ignition failed during normal and random operation of this vehicle. It needs to be fixed right now. What is the escalation ladder for this type of issue? When will this issue be resolved? If you can't fix this who can?"
Leadership:
The ability to direct and coordinate the activities of crew members and to encourage the crew to work together as a team.
"Everyone on this engineering team stop! We need to look into this problem now. There are serious consequences if we do not take action. We need to contact the supplier right now and research this issue together. Would you allow your family to operate this machine with this defect?"
Adaptability/Flexibility:
The ability to alter a course of action based on new information, maintain constructive behavior under pressure, and adapt to internal and external environmental changes.
"Ok, John Doe does not want to take action on this. How can I continue to move forward on this and protect the company and the customer?"
Mission Analysis:
The ability to develop short-term, long-term, and contingency plans and to coordinate, allocate, and monitor crew and material resources.
"Can we get another suplier working on this? Can we get the prime supplier to pivot and correct the problem quickly. What is the critical path to correction and what is the safest way to accomplish this fix as quickly as possible?"
Perhaps every person in the company should be trained on the seven skills. It might save your company millions of dollars. I always tell my crew "no surprises", but of course they already know that...
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A = Assertiveness
D = Decision Making
C = Communication
L = Leadership
A = Adaptability/Flexibility
M = Mission Analysis
Situational Awareness:
The degree of accuracy by which one’s perception of the current environment mirrors reality.
"The ignition failed after hitting a bump in the road, is this normal? This can't be normal! …which leads us to assertiveness."
Assertiveness:
The willingness to actively participate, state, and maintain a position until convinced by the facts that other options are better.
"This ignition is broken and presents a hazard to our customers. We need to fix this now!"
Decision Making:
The ability to choose a course of action using logical and sound judgment based on the available information.
"I will not allow this project to move forward until this defect is fixed!"
Communication:
The ability to clearly and accurately send and receive information, instructions, or commands; and provide useful feedback.
"This ignition failed during normal and random operation of this vehicle. It needs to be fixed right now. What is the escalation ladder for this type of issue? When will this issue be resolved? If you can't fix this who can?"
Leadership:
The ability to direct and coordinate the activities of crew members and to encourage the crew to work together as a team.
"Everyone on this engineering team stop! We need to look into this problem now. There are serious consequences if we do not take action. We need to contact the supplier right now and research this issue together. Would you allow your family to operate this machine with this defect?"
Adaptability/Flexibility:
The ability to alter a course of action based on new information, maintain constructive behavior under pressure, and adapt to internal and external environmental changes.
"Ok, John Doe does not want to take action on this. How can I continue to move forward on this and protect the company and the customer?"
Mission Analysis:
The ability to develop short-term, long-term, and contingency plans and to coordinate, allocate, and monitor crew and material resources.
"Can we get another suplier working on this? Can we get the prime supplier to pivot and correct the problem quickly. What is the critical path to correction and what is the safest way to accomplish this fix as quickly as possible?"
Perhaps every person in the company should be trained on the seven skills. It might save your company millions of dollars. I always tell my crew "no surprises", but of course they already know that...
Written by
Michael Wendelin MBA CSCPFollowUnfollowFollowingLoading
04-05-2017, 10:53 PM
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I think if you are not satisfied and happy with your job it is good to leave it, as there are several options available in the market to be successful. One of the emerging sector is real estate. There are many young talent who are opting for commercial real estate career NJ, as getting the license is the simple part. You can get more information over the web.
04-06-2017, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlesBast
I think if you are not satisfied and happy with your job it is good to leave it, as there are several options available in the market to be successful. One of the emerging sector is real estate. There are many young talent who are opting for commercial real estate career NJ, as getting the license is the simple part. You can get more information over the web.
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