Senate panel votes to weaken Flight 3407 safe
07-01-2017, 09:14 AM
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Senate panel votes to weaken Flight 3407 safe
07-01-2017, 09:30 AM
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It passed by one....ONE vote.
Meanwhile, the House bill voted to keep it as-is.
ALPA has a call to action email out (29 June) with links to the House and Senate for this, barriers, and flag of convenience.
THe Senate and House bills would have to be reconciled to become law.
EVERYONE: take three minutes to send your voice of disapproval for the Senate version.
All it would take is one vote to get rid of the Thune ammendment.
Meanwhile, the House bill voted to keep it as-is.
ALPA has a call to action email out (29 June) with links to the House and Senate for this, barriers, and flag of convenience.
THe Senate and House bills would have to be reconciled to become law.
EVERYONE: take three minutes to send your voice of disapproval for the Senate version.
All it would take is one vote to get rid of the Thune ammendment.
07-01-2017, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
It passed by one....ONE vote.
Meanwhile, the House bill voted to keep it as-is.
ALPA has a call to action email out (29 June) with links to the House and Senate for this, barriers, and flag of convenience.
THe Senate and House bills would have to be reconciled to become law.
EVERYONE: take three minutes to send your voice of disapproval for the Senate version.
All it would take is one vote to get rid of the Thune ammendment.
Meanwhile, the House bill voted to keep it as-is.
ALPA has a call to action email out (29 June) with links to the House and Senate for this, barriers, and flag of convenience.
THe Senate and House bills would have to be reconciled to become law.
EVERYONE: take three minutes to send your voice of disapproval for the Senate version.
All it would take is one vote to get rid of the Thune ammendment.
07-01-2017, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Lemons
why? What accident would have been prevented had both pilots had 1500 hours? As I recall colgan 3407 pilots both had over 1500.
The captain didn't have 1500 hours and an ATP when he was hired at his first 121 airline. That's the measure because that's what the current law requires.
07-01-2017, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Lemons
why? What accident would have been prevented had both pilots had 1500 hours? As I recall colgan 3407 pilots both had over 1500.
07-01-2017, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
The captain didn't have 1500 hours and an ATP when he was hired at his first 121 airline. That's the measure because that's what the current law requires.
If this is about creating an artificial supply demand for pilot so be it, but don't make some excuse about experience that has never been a factor in any crash at a regional in the last 15 years.
07-01-2017, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Lemons
Yes but at the time of the accident he had well above that. So I don't understand the logic. Either way he would have been in the same position rule or no rule.
If this is about creating an artificial supply demand for pilot so be it, but don't make some excuse about experience that has never been a factor in any crash at a regional in the last 15 years.
If this is about creating an artificial supply demand for pilot so be it, but don't make some excuse about experience that has never been a factor in any crash at a regional in the last 15 years.
07-01-2017, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemons
Yes but at the time of the accident he had well above that. So I don't understand the logic. Either way he would have been in the same position rule or no rule.
If this is about creating an artificial supply demand for pilot so be it, but don't make some excuse about experience that has never been a factor in any crash at a regional in the last 15 years.
If this is about creating an artificial supply demand for pilot so be it, but don't make some excuse about experience that has never been a factor in any crash at a regional in the last 15 years.
The ATP rule isn't just about hours. Forcing pilots to build time before being a regional jet FO, makes it more likely that they will gain aeronautical decision making experience. Otherwise, you will once again get pilots upgrading to regional jet captain after only having PIC time they accumulated getting their commercial pilot certificate. All those pilots PIC decisions were made in the 100 hours required to get his commercial pilot certificate. Those hours getting to 1500 are the hours used to form a foundation.
If hours don't matter, why aren't the people willing to repeal the ATP rule also willing to get rid of ALL hourly requirements for obtaining all pilot certificates?
07-01-2017, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemons
Yes but at the time of the accident he had well above that. So I don't understand the logic. Either way he would have been in the same position rule or no rule.
The rest requirement change and the emphasis about stall/spin awareness were justified and are about safety.
07-01-2017, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
The ATP rule isn't just about hours. Forcing pilots to build time before being a regional jet FO, makes it more likely that they will gain aeronautical decision making experience. Otherwise, you will once again get pilots upgrading to regional jet captain after only having PIC time they accumulated getting their commercial pilot certificate. All those pilots PIC decisions were made in the 100 hours required to get his commercial pilot certificate. Those hours getting to 1500 are the hours used to form a foundation.
If hours don't matter, why aren't the people willing to repeal the ATP rule also willing to get rid of ALL hourly requirements for obtaining all pilot certificates?
If hours don't matter, why aren't the people willing to repeal the ATP rule also willing to get rid of ALL hourly requirements for obtaining all pilot certificates?
1500 seems logical when 1499 of it is auto-pilot on. Not arguing all pilots should hand-fly. Just saying when George is flying, pilots have more time to do other things...like learn how George works, how to make George work better in the NAS, how the NAS works...Oh, yeah...you can't get 1500 hrs in one summer. When it isn't snowing, sleeting, or icing over.
Decisions are best made from knowing what doesn't work. Otherwise, it's just guessing.
Just my $0.02.
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