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NEDude 08-09-2017 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by flensr (Post 2407005)
You're speaking from ignorance here bud. Don't get mad, you simply don't know what you don't know. Get a few hundred hours flying armed ISR, CAS, convoy overwatch, or a SOF infil in the reaper where lives on the ground are truly at immediate risk and are depending on you for their survival and success, and then come back here talking about video games.

Heck, try flying one of the special payloads costing millions, identified as critical assets that we only have one or two of in the entire force, and take it to a high priority tasking near a thunderstorm with only a tiny crappy camera to look through and avoid weather that will crash the plane in an instant. Do that a hundred times with a one of a kind payload, then come back and tell everyone how it wasn't any different than playing COD with the bros and required no airmanship.

Seriously, there are ANG and AFR units hiring for MQ-9 positions, and most of them won't have to deploy. Give it a shot, come back and let us know how easy or casual you found the job.

USAF enlisted members are, if I recall correctly, being trained only to fly the global hawk. That platform is significantly more automated than the MQ-1, MQ-9, and several other platforms. Even with the automation, I highly doubt that the opportunity to crash a "platform" worth over $100 mil is equivalent to playing a video game in the minds of anyone who actually does that for a living.

You completely missed the point here bud. There is a very big difference between being in the aircraft having your own life on the line, and sitting in a bunker, or comfortable office, and knowing no matter how bad you may screw up, you still get to go home, have dinner and tuck your kids into bed, and kiss you spouse goodnight. I never inferred the job was unimportant, or even easy. But it is vastly different, with vastly different personal consequences.

Al Czervik 08-09-2017 08:17 AM

Freight trains aren't even there yet.

Al Czervik 08-09-2017 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by hilltopflyer (Post 2406854)
And that will be never... our cfo (b6) has stated that if jetblue were to have a catastrophic crash it would probably put us out of business.

The boss got you thinking they can't afford things. He's doing his job well.

hilltopflyer 08-09-2017 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2407157)
The boss got you thinking they can't afford things. He's doing his job well.

I don't believe they can't afford things. Right now we have a 18.6% profit margin paying cash for all our planes this year.. it means the public confidence can't afford a crash.

Happyflyer 08-09-2017 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by Dised101 (Post 2406374)
The fact is, the military is already doing it. R and D already has taken place. That it the biggest cost. Any costs you have mentioned will be weighed against savings. The industry will defer some of those costs to the government in the form of ATC reform. Management will always view labor as an expense and not an asset. And the flying public could care less. As long as they Save a dollar on a ticket....

The military doesn't count, it's a special event for one of those things to land. Big hubs can handle 200 departures an hour. The logistics are impossible except to hire a person to work them, which is the pilot.

galaxy flyer 08-10-2017 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by NEDude (Post 2407120)
You completely missed the point here bud. There is a very big difference between being in the aircraft having your own life on the line, and sitting in a bunker, or comfortable office, and knowing no matter how bad you may screw up, you still get to go home, have dinner and tuck your kids into bed, and kiss you spouse goodnight. I never inferred the job was unimportant, or even easy. But it is vastly different, with vastly different personal consequences.

If you think "screwing up" causing your troops to be killed OR killing people who happen to be your enemy is easy and has no consequences; you have a lot to learn. No, I'm not a UAV guy.

GF

jcountry 08-10-2017 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2407155)
Freight trains aren't even there yet.

Good point.

NEDude 08-10-2017 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2407806)
If you think "screwing up" causing your troops to be killed OR killing people who happen to be your enemy is easy and has no consequences; you have a lot to learn. No, I'm not a UAV guy.

GF

You need work on your reading comprehension my friend. Even though you quoted it, you obviously missed where I said "I never inferred the job was unimportant, or even easy." So we can dismiss your comment accusing me of thinking it is easy. I also did not say there are no consequences. What I said was "But it is vastly different, with vastly different personal consequences." Again, even though you quoted it, you clearly did not read it. So please, read all of what I said and have a clear understanding before you accuse me of something. And yes, the potential loss of your own life is VASTLY different than potentially causing someone else to lose their life. Especially if those other people are unknown to you and live on the other side of the planet.

galaxy flyer 08-10-2017 04:10 PM

You're way off base, NEDude.. Unless you know some suicides from combat-related PTSD, you underestimate the potential personal consequences of being a military UAV operator. Your the one in need something greater than reading comprehension--understanding of what you are typing. I did nit accuse you of anything other than being rather blasé about UAV ops.

Read the excerpt of your post that I highlighted, it sounds like being a drone pilot is without without consequences or a price. Finally, I speak from experience having survived a military head-on mid-air collision in an A-10

GF

forgot to bid 08-10-2017 04:47 PM

Sex robots could save men billions.



Let's see how that works out first.


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