SKYBUS: Online Pilot Application
 

A320 Fo?
 

VA leaving a little to be desired?

He wants to get in a big airliner so bad he'll work for crap wages. He'll even give up that free phone/magazine subscription offer.

How bad is the pay?

VA Details
 

Not sure, but the rumor is co-pilots don't have any senority.

Without a Union Who has senority?

Excellent point. In the world of "at will" workers, you can be fired at any time for any reason.

Capt's are getting 65K a year salary. I would guess F/O's would be near 40K. Not a place that I would want to go.

Saw a couple of ex-Indy drivers there...........they seemed all psyched about it. I asked why they would accept the salary and they said - "We will bring that up soon." They also stated that they are still hiring Captains only but FOs would be hired soon.

I didn't want to go down the road of HOW at the time. I hope they know their MGT is more ANTI-Union than most..........is that even possible?! ;)

About their paint - they said that the Orange airplanes were for the first batch of airplanes and then Lime Green for the next (I guess Song Green) then another color........uggh

For 500Gs any customer can have a Skybus painted in whatever scheme they wanted (ala WestPAC)..........

All pilots will have date of hire seniority, regardless of the seat their hired into.

Mgmt is no more anti-union than at SWA, JetBlue, or AirTran. Besides Alaska and Spirit no LCC airlines are represented by ALPA. There just isn't a need for it.

Hope this helps

Of course they're anti-Union. No respectable pilot union would stand for flying an A320 for regional wages/benefits. And "We'll bring that rate up soon"? Who do they think they're kidding. Just another bunch of laid off pilots too lazy to get a real job and satisfied to stab Union pilots in the back.

Guess what:

NO JUMPSEAT FOR YOU SKYSCUD!!!

Greenface can you please list all of the "real jobs" so I can apply to them.
I also wonder if the carrier that you fly for has the highest pay per seat in the industry or are you undercutting your union brothers and lowering the standards.

VA FO's
 

Sorry, I was refering to VA.

Sure, any carrier with a Union contract. That's easy enough.

And, once again Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a contestant who has no clue how Railway Labor Act contracts are negotiated. FYI, until we have a National Seniority List and one pay scale for ALL air carriers, contracts will continue to be approved at the individual airline MEC/membership ratification levels. For some carriers, there are other considerations more important than just pay...retirement, work rules, etc.

Each MEC/NC must make tradeoff judgments. Pretty simple, if your intellect can grasp the essentials of contracts.

In a perfect world, we would be like Longshoremen or Electricians...You need a pilot, you go to the Union Hall and the most senior unemployed UNION pilot gets the job. Pay scales are set on a National basis. No more undercutting each other just to get a job.

And non-Union pilots who worked outside the Union system would be pariahs...not accepted and shunned by Union pilots. Not allowed to benefit from negotiated Union perks (jumpseats). You want to be treated as a professional? Join the Union. Until then, pound sand.

Why is there "No Need".

There's no need because they haven't started working for crappy wages and zero benefits. Once the lure of the big jet wears off, SB pilots will get pretty tired of working for nothing.

Then there will be a 'need'.

Instead of berating pilots for taking jobs at places like Skybus and JB we should be mentoring them in the benifits of union membership. How do we expect pilots at start up airlines to side with union members if all the union members do is call them scabs and such. I am pretty sure that all airlines were once start ups.

C'mon Major GreenFace. Once and for all, why don't you tell us which airline you work for. That way when Virgin and Skybus are flying, those pilots can refuse your pilots the jumpseat and then they can explain to them why....just check this forum and figure out what exjarhead is preventing them from getting home. Own up to it buddy, never knew a Marine to be timid about his background.

Mr. Greenface, You assume I am was a laid off pilot too lazy pilot to get a real job. You assume I don't understand the purpose and benefits of having a union. You assume that a A319 is a large airplane to me, an A319 is 1/5th the size of my last airplane. You assume I want to be on your jumpseat, you are probably unaware that I don't commute so using the jumpseat for political purposes just isn't effective threat to a guy like myself, plus it just makes you look like a fool. You assume that I am not an ALPA member. You assume a lot, what you are is incorrect on all accounts.

Yes please let us know what airline you work for only a coward hides behind such a pretty greenface.

I wonder how my fellow pilots at SB appreciate your assumptions considering many of them come from airlines such as: United, US Air, Delta, Northwest, TWA/ American and Continental. My guess is you work for one of these airlines. Maybe before you start assuming things again, you'll think before you write. Unless your objective is to offend and if that's your goal your doing a great job, keep up the good work. Cheers

Why don't you all go to Virgin America and Skybus, and I will take all the good jobs at:
FedEx
UPS
Southwest
American
United
Delta
Continental
Northwest
US Air
Frontier
Alaska
Air Tran

What do you think are the odds of Skybus being around in 10 years?? 50%/50%, maybe worse? All of the airlines listed above will be around in 10 years (mergers do not count).

Good luck with your gamble. Remember, the house always wins.
Thanks for leaving all the good jobs for me to have!

Im not defending SkyBus-ted, but IF they were union and still paying sh@t would that be ok then????

Skyone, haven't you asked that questions several time on other posts? If you read his many posts, you'll see what airline he works for. He isn't hiding at all, you're just not really looking.

Word is $15 for FO's and you have to clean the isles, drain the juice, wax the plane and powder the stones. I can't wait. You'll have a line of Mesa guys looking for a better life.

That is definately a cut on my MESA! Not my Mesa Brethren.

Then they wouldn't be paying Sh@t.

Ryane946,

Ask other furloughed pilots from some of those legacy companies how many times they have been furloughed in their career at those airlines., Ex. NWA, DAL, American etc. I believe the NWA, DAL job is just as risky as Skybus, VA. I wouldnt touch any of these legacies. When things go bad you are on the street. Atleast at SWA, JB and Airtran, FedEX they treat their employess with respect and work with them to prevent layoffs. None of those four laid any pilots off after 911. The rest of the majors did and has a long history of it. In V's defense I agree with a Alpa National pilot seniority with all airlines and I am encouraged with the JB possibility for ALPA. Nothing is stopping anyone from promoting ALPA at these new start ups. Give them a reason to come on board instead of turning them away and shunning them. The divide and conqueor attitude does not work.

WTF?????

You can do better than that in a 50-seat RJ...and get mainline travel bennies!

Moose,
You're right, I have posted this on numerous other threads. He IS hiding. He won't deny or admit that it might be Alaska or CAL. He is laughing green, knowing he can pull everyone's chain. But nevertheless, to me, his posts are meaningless now. He doesn't want to answer to anyone, afraid of consequences of his idiotic JS rantings. I would be interested in one post where he says, "I work for ....." But he is not all that important. He is probably an outcast at his own airline and enjoys the attention I and others have given him.

ryane946, it's definitely better that you take that pilot job, since your "Airline Stock Picks" on the MAJOR board titled BUY AIRLINE STOCKS NOW! didn't fair so well. Wouldn't want you as my investment advisor.

It's the next NEW MESA. I ran into a Female Mesa 1900D Captain going for an interview at SkyBus. I told her she was crazy, but if you are a MESA 1900D CA, you probably already are crazy.

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The email I just got from Skybus says FO's get 35k plus 1200 stock options. Upgrade time 6-12 months. I'm not too sure why everyone expects them to compete with established airlines before they fly a single revenue flight.

So you're theory is to offer crap wages to get the ball rolling. It'll be interesting to see the managers fight over how much money to give the nice pilots when it starts making management bonus money hand over fist.

Its kinda like dating. If you can't get it up front, you'll never get it once you're commited!

I doubt they are offering crap wages just because they want to listen to pilots complain about how little they are making. The reality is when SWA came on the scene they paid below industry standard. People who went to work for them stayed because they created a work place that all employees enjoyed. And in case you haven't looked at their pay scale lately, it isn't too bad. Skybus is offering an opportunity for pilots to enter on the ground floor of what could be a great company. Pay should follow success.

HAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA......................you are SERIOUS aren't you?! - LOL....................*verp*

PAy is nothing like it was when Southwest came on the scene. Their wages look good because the rest of the industry was forced to come down to compete with them, its all going to happen again and South West is going to have to drop wages to do it as well. Its a vicious circle and everyone is just standing here watching it go around clapping and chanting about getting to fly big airplanes for low wages and It'll get better? It will get better for management! It will become standard for pilots.

There is a reason there are 30% fewer people getting into flying, there is a reason regional airlines are hiring people with drivers licenses. You can make more money cleaning someones teeth and be home everynight by 5:30 while paying less to train for it. Someone else can spell check me.

Well. A fresh perspective..... :confused:

Velocipede, care to comment? :eek:

skybus interview
 

does anyone have info. on the process of their interview?

I hear it involves a knee pad and proof that your spouse can support your family or at least pay you alimony until you can get a better job.

That'll fire ‘em up! :D


On a much more serious note, and by that I mean more serious than Skybus. Why can't there be a spell checker on this thing?

already got several. they're the grammar gestapo and they are watching and waiting!:mad:

thats a double HAHAHAHAHAAH