Originally Posted by shyguy

the cost of becoming an airline pilot has gone up since the atp rule. The net money spent even adjusted for inflation is more now to become a 121 pilot.

Originally Posted by RhinoBallAuto

ctp ~= $5k

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

The cost of becoming an airline pilot has gone up since the ATP rule. The net money spent even adjusted for inflation is more now to become a 121 pilot.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

CTP is free if hired by most regional airlines.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

There is no evidence that the ATP rule is what has caused the flight trainings prices to increase.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Not the sole reason, but one of the reasons and a fairly decent one.

Originally Posted by Gatsby

Sent. I'm actually just starting out, and even if it takes an extra year or two to reach the regionals, I still believe that the higher hourly requirement is a proper way to keep the barrier to entry at the regional level a bit elevated, which hopefully, in turn, will keep the pay and standard of living up, plus no matter how you cut it, a pilot with more hours has more hours to fall back on when the turds start hitting the fan, even if the occasional bad pilot whom no number of hours could help make better does still slide by, I believe that in aggregate it still is a good thing for air safety, and for pilots.

Perhaps this is merely wishful thinking, and it probably is. But if pay at the regionals started at 60k with the req. ATP 1500 from here on forward without these temporary bonuses then perhaps the trajectory of getting the required licenses along with the time instructing or towing banners would seem more bearable to most and we could eventually have a steadier flow of pilot candidates to feed the needs of the regionals.

I find it ridiculous that in this field, a field in which the barrier to entry is already pretty high in the form of costs to get the necessary licenses...that most new pilots won't respect themselves and their efforts and so they go out and sell their craft for pennies on the dollar. Just look at the whole RyanAir debacle going on in Europe, coming out at 250 hours with 100k loans plus paying for an interview and a type rating, only to have your CEO say that you are pretty much and overpaid addition to the autopilot. If that's the case, then why even bother with all the licenses, exams, and check rides, just give us 20 hours on X-Plane and as soon as we get the handle on that nifty little autopilot, we'll start cashing our wal-mart greeter mimicking paychecks, but hey...when those turds start hitting the fan, we'll make sure to let the passengers know that the autopilot has disengaged, we thought it flew itself, but it's disengaged and that this is beyond our purview and the plane is going down, but don't fret since this cost has been built into the airlines working model in order to offer you cheaper fares as a whole, and this here now is just the luck of the draw and hasta la vista... down we go. Lol ...anyways, I'm just rambling now... haha.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

You could say flight training prices have risen because we cancelled the shuttle program and you would want me to believe you. You keep making statements but haven't even provided the slightest defense of your opinion other than "do you believe everything ALPA says," which is not a reason and "because, economics" which again I have refuted.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

The ATP rule has kept more people flight instructing than would have had the rule not been enacted. If anything, it has kept the cost of training lower than it would have been.

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano

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