kevbo

Well, I guess that makes the continued dismantling of US based maintenance OK. MAGA????

JetDoc

Not ok, in fact I find it deplorable and I lost my my job because of it. Just pointing out that the outsourcing to foreign countries en masse has been going on since the early 2000's and is not a byproduct of the current administration but also that administration has done nothing to stop it.

baseball

I am hopeful that outsourcing will become the exception rather than the norm. Hoping that there are incentives in cost, quality, taxes, HR related costs to justify bringing back more in house maintenance, depot, inspections, heavy checks, and major maintenance. I am personally more trusting in western maintenance technicians and in particular US/Canadian, British A & P's.

takingmessages

Oh boy, it's got to be simple...

For cheaper flights and more options, the solution is simple

For cheaper flights and more options, the solution is simple.

Born of changes introduced following a 2009 crash, the Federal Aviation Administration now requires commercial pilots to have 1,500 hours under their belts rather than the original requirement of 250 hours. That vast difference adds up to a lot of extra training time and tuition expenses, and it deserves to be cut.

Indeed, in Canada a commercial pilot license requires just "200 hours total flight time and 100 hours pilot in command time including 20 hours cross country." Recognizing that 250 hours might have been too low, why don't we reduce the 1,500-hour requirement to somewhere in the region of 750 hours?


Seems to go along with:
CARTEL DESTROYS PILOT JOB THEN CITES SHORTAGE FOR CHOKING THE LIFE OUT OF NON HUB AIRPORTS
Oct 17, 2017

United Capital Management dba as an airline said it closed its CLE hub because of a pilot shortage, omitting that destroying the job of pilot by using regionals-paying less than 30k to pilots-was a core strategy of the relentlessly avaricious cabal. As they did time and time again they decimated every job they could-your local airport was once a fortress of well paid middle class jobs with long serving employees. Today, many of the worst, lowest paid highest turnover jobs are in aviation. Now treating its readers like imbeciles, Fortune repeats the deceit that there is a shortage of pilots which is not true as they well know: for the right wage, pilots will be lined up for jobs. Ask Ryanair which is losing tons of pilots to higher paying Norwegian. Once again, the effluent of US air travel could not be accomplished without able assistance of corporate media. Equally deceitful: no mention that overjamming hubs and starving local airports is a linchpin of the cartel's windfall profits and absurd executive compensation.
America Pilot Shortage Effect on Regional Flights, Ticket Prices | Fortune

astroglider

Wow, you really need study the industry a little more. #1 No airline pilot is making $300,000 and flying three days per month. Also, you sound like a passenger asking why a child must pay the same ticket price as an adult (after all the child is smaller).

You might think you are doing the same job...but that's not what you are getting paid for...you are getting paid for experience. How much experience do you have versus a 15 years mainline 737 First Officer? An experienced pilot is worth more to the company...and is therefore paid more for doing the same job as a new hire. Now here's a homework assignment...why is an experienced airline pilot more valuable than a less experienced one? If you can't answer that one...maybe a career change (as you've hinted at) should be in order.

ItnStln

That got me thinking about which airline would be the first to charge passengers by the weight.

takingmessages

Makes me wonder...

From the link below:

"The legislation involves the change in the hours required to fly commercial planes.
That went from 250 to 300 hours up to 1500 hours," said Carr. "That gap pulls the real problem, because the person who got their certificates basically has to pay for those difference in hours."


Note the "went from 250 to 300" statement.
Priceless...


Airline companies grapple with pilot retirement problems - Story | KSAZ

Two things help people to be misinformed:
The first one is the statement '1500 hours rule'.
It is not a '1500 hours rule'.
It is a rule to require a pilot to hold an 'Airline Transport Certificate' to operate a transport category aircraft for an airline. And which, BTW, has required 1500 hrs for as long as I can remember (which is not much nowadays...).

Then there is people like the one in the interview stating that 'because they increased the hour requirements from 250 to 1500 yadayadayada...'
It is BS, we know it, there are jobs (not counting hard-to-find flight instructors) to be had between the 250 and the (mythical) '1500 hours'

But people interested in perpetuating the charade (or clueless) won't tell you that.

How about if someone with the resources to undertake the effort to educate the population, began explaining people that pilots flying transport category aircraft (as opposite as "commercial planes") are required to hold an ATP for a reason?

Beats me...


And never mind about https://insideflyer.com/forums/threa...rports.138843/

CARTEL DESTROYS PILOT JOB THEN CITES SHORTAGE FOR CHOKING THE LIFE OUT OF NON HUB AIRPORTS

United Capital Management dba as an airline said it closed its CLE hub because of a pilot shortage, omitting that destroying the job of pilot by using regionals-paying less than 30k to pilots-was a core strategy of the relentlessly avaricious cabal. As they did time and time again they decimated every job they could-your local airport was once a fortress of well paid middle class jobs with long serving employees. Today, many of the worst, lowest paid highest turnover jobs are in aviation. Now treating its readers like imbeciles, Fortune repeats the deceit that there is a shortage of pilots which is not true as they well know: for the right wage, pilots will be lined up for jobs. Ask Ryanair which is losing tons of pilots to higher paying Norwegian. Once again, the effluent of US air travel could not be accomplished without able assistance of corporate media. Equally deceitful: no mention that overjamming hubs and starving local airports is a linchpin of the cartel's windfall profits and absurd executive compensation.

No Land 3

Removing the ATP requirement would start up the race to the bottom overnight. Anyone who is in favor of this should have their medical taken away permanently due to cognitive deficiencies.

JTwift

Well, this isn't exactly true, either.

If you have a 20 year military pilot, and a 2 year Regional airline pilot.

Both get hired at [insert major airline] on the same date, for the sake of argument. Both will make the same pay. Which one has more experience?

Is it 20 years of "air sense, combat, general flying, etc" or is it the guy that has been in and out of LGA/DTW, and knows what ACARS is?

It doesn't matter. Same pay.

Sliceback

The avg regional guy getting hired has approx 6-7 yrs experience.
So it’s a 12-20yr mil guy vs a civilian guy with 8-10yr civilian guy.

For many regional/civilian guys it’s an easier transition than it is for the former military guys.