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Old 09-16-2017, 04:03 PM   #1  
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Why isn't this stickied? The impending flood of 250 hour wonders is going to crash salaries industry wide.

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An influential industry committee recommended Thursday that the Federal Aviation Administration eliminate or scale back dozens of safety rules, including one on airline pilot qualifications.

The FAA's Aviation Rulemaking Advisory Committee said the recommendations are a response to an effort by the agency to comply with President Donald Trump's directives to cut government regulations. The committee approved a report containing the recommendations by a vote of 14 to 4 with one abstention.

Pilots unions and safety groups oppose the recommendation on pilot qualifications, saying it would undermine safety. Regional airlines have been trying to roll back the pilot qualifications rule since it was adopted by the FAA in response to a sweeping aviation safety law passed by Congress after the last fatal crash of a U.S. passenger airliner.

Lawmakers said at the time that they were concerned about reports in the wake of the crash of Colgan Flight 3407 in February 2009 near Buffalo, New York, that some rapidly growing regional airlines were hiring first officers with far less experience than pilots at major airlines. All 49 people on board and a man on the ground were killed after the captain responded incorrectly to safety systems, causing the plane to stall.

After the crash, lawmakers increased the minimum number of flight hours first officers must have in order to obtain a license to fly commercial passenger airliners to 1,500 hours, the same as captains, leading to more experienced first officers.

Before that, airlines were allowed to hire first officers with as few as 250 hours of flying experience. Some airlines would move first officers into a captain's seat as soon as they had the minimum 1,500 hours of flying experience.

The report recommends permitting pilots with less than 1,500 hours to qualify for an "air transport" license if they receive academic training from their airline.

Airlines say the current rule is acerbating a pilot shortage that has caused some regional carriers to cancel flights. The problem, they say, is that it can cost prospective pilots as much as they might pay for a four-year college education to acquire the greater flying hours they now need to qualify for an air transport license. As a result, fewer people are willing to pursue careers as pilots.

Faye Malarkey Black, president of the regional airline association, said the proposed changes would incorporate more meaningful education into pilot training than mere flight hours.

"Far from weakening safety, it's one of the most important things we can do right now to advance pilot training," she said.

Airline pilot unions and safety advocates say the problem is regional airlines don't pay high enough entry-level salaries to attract as many pilots as they need.

"UPS and FedEx have good pay and benefits and thousands of highly qualified pilot applicants," the National Air Disaster Foundation, a safety advocacy group, said in a dissenting opinion to the committee's report. "There is only a pilot shortage of pilots able to work for $25,000 a year."

The Air Line Pilots Association International also opposed opposes the change, saying in its dissenting opinion that the pilot supply in the United States remains strong. Chad Balentine, an ALPA representative and member of the committee, said reducing the required entry-level flight hours would "jeopardize safety."

A group representing the families of victims of the Colgan crash said in a statement last week that regional airlines have taken their case to the advisory panel "to bypass the legislative process where they have run into considerable resistance."

In June, the Senate Commerce committee passed a bill that included a provision allowing prospective airline pilots to substitute academic training for flying hours. Opposition to the provision from Democrats has prevented Republicans from bringing the bill to the floor for a vote.

The report also recommends 53 other changes to safety rules, include regulations governing the strength of hinges, emergency exit markings and whether ashtrays should be required in restrooms since smoking isn't allowed on planes.

https://www.manufacturing.net/news/2...n-safety-rules

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"Airline pilot unions and safety advocates say the problem is regional airlines don't pay high enough entry-level salaries to attract as many pilots as they need."

I fly for a Regional. I'm in a crash pad with a guy from Delta who used to be at the same Regional.

We do the same job. Base out of the same airport. He has a better schedule. He has far better pay and benefits.
I knew what I was getting into, so I'm not blaming anyone. I can quit when I want (soon, I think).

Now, granted, I'm new to this, but it seems to me the whole system is flawed. You hear stories about the guys at the top who work three days a month and make $300k. Why, again? That's just a bad system. What are people like that contributing to the company? And don't say they, "paid their dues."

This whole thing should be leveled out more, the regional model is garbage (again..same job, and I can bumped off a flight to work by a retiree and their kids on the Wholly Owned parent).

It's just weird from the top down.
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If they want to cut regulations they can start with O2 mask above 250 BS.
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If they want to cut regulations they can start with O2 mask above 250 BS.
Or having to get a $150 first class medical every year.
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How about everyone respond to ALPA's call to action?

Took 35 seconds yesterday. Sent emails to both my Senators and Congressman.
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How about everyone respond to ALPA's call to action?

Took 35 seconds yesterday. Sent emails to both my Senators and Congressman.
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To quote my favorite money talker B. Brinker.
"We have the best government money can buy"
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If they want to cut regulations they can start with O2 mask above 250 BS.
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Or having to get a $150 first class medical every year.
Since they can't drop all the regs, how about giving each pilot an exemption from one rule of their choice. It would have to be printed on their airman certificate, to prevent a retroactive "post violation" selection.
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The OP put this link in, but didn't label it.

CLICK THIS LINK and take less than a minute to send emails to your Senators and Congressman to maintain the ATP requirement.

Maintaining the Current Minimum First Officer Qualifications

Politicians respond to constituent responses when they achieve a numerical threshold. A dozen; a few hundred? Meh.

Multiple thousands? They might put down their latest issue of "Modern Malfeasance" long enough to craft a response.

Later, while conducting a 'caucus' at a DC gentlemen's club, if a cohort grouses about "....a bunch of whiney pilots clogging my mail and phone; I can't even enjoy this lap-dance," they may resolve to look at it in committee.

Sadly, statistics show that fewer than 10% of all ALPA members can even be bothered to respond to Calls to Action.

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Click the link!!

Takes less than a minute. Thanks for posting.
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