Pax complains about AA on twitter
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If racism is to be taken seriously in this country, people have to stop complaining about things that clearly aren't racist. After reading articles like this and many other like this, it's hard to take real racist complaints seriously at a first glance.
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And imagine, the activist co-chair of the women's march just happens to be the "victim" of racism at the hands of a privileged white male. So convenient.
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Why insert yourself? Call the agent/supervisor and have them removed. No need to even get out of your seat.
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Curious what exactly is "white male aggression" ?
Article:
New York Women's March activist kicked off AA flight | Daily Mail Online
'It definitely was white male aggression': New York Women's March activist kicked off of American Airlines flight over seat dispute blames pilot for 'being racist'
When she got to the airport, Mallory said she used an airport kiosk to change from a middle to an aisle seat. But when she arrived to the gate she was issued a new ticket that put her back in the middle. Not wanting to sit in that seat, she asked an agent why her seat had been changed. She says the staff member then responded in a 'nasty' and 'disrespectful' way. Though frustrated and still stuck in a middle seat, she assumed the dispute with the customers service representative was over, until she was approached by a pilot who overheard the exchange. The pilot, who hasn't been named, told Mallory that the gate-worker had 'nothing to do' with her seat being changed, and told her that she had been the one who acted disrespectfully.
'Then he said to me, "Can you get on this flight? Are you going to be on a problem on this flight?"' she recounted.
'I said, "No, I'm not. Actually I'm fine. But I will write my complaint down." He looked at me and said, "You're going to get yourself a one-way ticket off this plane."'
Put off, Mallory was allowed on the plane and was settling into her middle seat when she heard her name being called over the loud-speaker.
The pilot was requesting that she come to the front of the plane, and when she got there, she was told she was being removed.
'I began to express my outrage,' Mallory told the Daily News.
'Then I asked why I was being removed. I asked why this was happening to me. I told him I felt completely disrespected. I began to weep.'
She said she was never offered any sort of explanation, but that cops eventually arrived and Mallory walked off the plane. The person she was traveling with, who stayed seated until his name was called to the front, was also removed with no explanation.
The showdown, Mallory believes, was a way for the white male pilot to assert his dominance over a young, black, female passenger.
'Doesn't matter how much we do and how hard we fight, white men are allowed to treat black women like *******,' she wrote on Twitter after the incident.
'Other ppl (sic) stand by and watch it happen because it doesn't affect them. If I have to fight alone, nAir will NEVER GET AWAY W/ THIS.'
Mallory also wrote on Twitter that she has spoken to multiple American Airlines representatives, all of whom say that the pilot was in the wrong.
'Every nAir rep I've talked to told me the pilot mishandled the situation. He had no business getting involved in a seat dispute,' she wrote.
Article:
New York Women's March activist kicked off AA flight | Daily Mail Online
'It definitely was white male aggression': New York Women's March activist kicked off of American Airlines flight over seat dispute blames pilot for 'being racist'
When she got to the airport, Mallory said she used an airport kiosk to change from a middle to an aisle seat. But when she arrived to the gate she was issued a new ticket that put her back in the middle. Not wanting to sit in that seat, she asked an agent why her seat had been changed. She says the staff member then responded in a 'nasty' and 'disrespectful' way. Though frustrated and still stuck in a middle seat, she assumed the dispute with the customers service representative was over, until she was approached by a pilot who overheard the exchange. The pilot, who hasn't been named, told Mallory that the gate-worker had 'nothing to do' with her seat being changed, and told her that she had been the one who acted disrespectfully.
'Then he said to me, "Can you get on this flight? Are you going to be on a problem on this flight?"' she recounted.
'I said, "No, I'm not. Actually I'm fine. But I will write my complaint down." He looked at me and said, "You're going to get yourself a one-way ticket off this plane."'
Put off, Mallory was allowed on the plane and was settling into her middle seat when she heard her name being called over the loud-speaker.
The pilot was requesting that she come to the front of the plane, and when she got there, she was told she was being removed.
'I began to express my outrage,' Mallory told the Daily News.
'Then I asked why I was being removed. I asked why this was happening to me. I told him I felt completely disrespected. I began to weep.'
She said she was never offered any sort of explanation, but that cops eventually arrived and Mallory walked off the plane. The person she was traveling with, who stayed seated until his name was called to the front, was also removed with no explanation.
The showdown, Mallory believes, was a way for the white male pilot to assert his dominance over a young, black, female passenger.
'Doesn't matter how much we do and how hard we fight, white men are allowed to treat black women like *******,' she wrote on Twitter after the incident.
'Other ppl (sic) stand by and watch it happen because it doesn't affect them. If I have to fight alone, nAir will NEVER GET AWAY W/ THIS.'
Mallory also wrote on Twitter that she has spoken to multiple American Airlines representatives, all of whom say that the pilot was in the wrong.
'Every nAir rep I've talked to told me the pilot mishandled the situation. He had no business getting involved in a seat dispute,' she wrote.
Most of the leaders of the women's march have interesting "histories". Linda sarsour for example has been on the wrong side of pretty much every issue and is an un-apologetic anti-Semite.
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You're responsible for the entire aircraft, crew, and passengers. Even the parts you don't care for.
Would the baby stroller removal incident from several months ago have resulted in physical contact if the CA hadn't intervened? Up until then, legally responsible for the safety of the flight, he had just been an observer and witness. When lines were crossed, as the person ultimately responsible, he intervened.
Would the baby stroller removal incident from several months ago have resulted in physical contact if the CA hadn't intervened? Up until then, legally responsible for the safety of the flight, he had just been an observer and witness. When lines were crossed, as the person ultimately responsible, he intervened.
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You're responsible for the entire aircraft, crew, and passengers. Even the parts you don't care for.
Would the baby stroller removal incident from several months ago have resulted in physical contact if the CA hadn't intervened? Up until then, legally responsible for the safety of the flight, he had just been an observer and witness. When lines were crossed, as the person ultimately responsible, he intervened.
Would the baby stroller removal incident from several months ago have resulted in physical contact if the CA hadn't intervened? Up until then, legally responsible for the safety of the flight, he had just been an observer and witness. When lines were crossed, as the person ultimately responsible, he intervened.
The people on the back on the ground are the responsibility of the gate and f/A's.
The captain in the baby stroller flight should have never gotten involved.
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What was the stroller story, I forget?
If the pilot doesn't get involved, the media takes "aviation experts" and puts them on TV. Then those experts start chastising the Captain for not being there and taking control because it's his ship. Nevermind the split duties of who the security coordinator is at the gate versus closed up and ready for pushback. If you weren't in the picture, the media will chastice you for not taking charge. Get in the picture, and now you're on YouTube/TV. Damned if you do, and the same for don't. Personally I'd rather stay up front and let the gate agents deal with that - it's their job at that particular point.
If the pilot doesn't get involved, the media takes "aviation experts" and puts them on TV. Then those experts start chastising the Captain for not being there and taking control because it's his ship. Nevermind the split duties of who the security coordinator is at the gate versus closed up and ready for pushback. If you weren't in the picture, the media will chastice you for not taking charge. Get in the picture, and now you're on YouTube/TV. Damned if you do, and the same for don't. Personally I'd rather stay up front and let the gate agents deal with that - it's their job at that particular point.
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You're responsible for the entire aircraft, crew, and passengers. Even the parts you don't care for.
Would the baby stroller removal incident from several months ago have resulted in physical contact if the CA hadn't intervened? Up until then, legally responsible for the safety of the flight, he had just been an observer and witness. When lines were crossed, as the person ultimately responsible, he intervened.
Would the baby stroller removal incident from several months ago have resulted in physical contact if the CA hadn't intervened? Up until then, legally responsible for the safety of the flight, he had just been an observer and witness. When lines were crossed, as the person ultimately responsible, he intervened.