FL370esq

Ummmm...just to keep this accurate, no one with 2 months on property was awarded either the M88 or B717 Captain position and certainly no one was collecting Captain pay in their 2nd month at Delta.

The junior M88 Captain slot (ATL) in the MOAB went to someone with 4 months (yup, still wicked fast) but he/she won't see Capt pay till May 2018 when they are projected to convert. The junior B717 Captain slot (NYC) went to someone who was a year and three months (still pretty fast but again, not two months). That person was projected to convert last month so they should be seeing year 2 Captain pay now ($220.68).

Imapilot2

Was talking with a friend cp, don't know why he would know this so take it for what it's worth....first run of the MOAB with original number of 350 slots had guys in indoc being awarded captain. After reducing the number of 350 positions it got down to guys who at least had just finished ioe which was 2 months after indoc....and as 370 so eloquently corrected me is 4 months on the property.

It also looks like upgrades at American are already up to 2004 and with their totally crazy seniority list could jump to 2013 hires here soon.

nimslow

Actually our junior group 2 captain at AA (non TWA) is a 2001 hire, about 10,600 out of 14,600 or so. I'm a Feb 01, and I'm very close to the plug on the 73 in LGA right now.

Under our old system, we had monthly vacancy bids that were effective around 60 days after the bid award. Our pay starts the effective date of the bid award so usually we are getting the higher pay while still in training.

FL370esq

Hey...that was a 100% discrepancy - gotta keep APC fair and balanced. 😁

AEs are weird things. Sometimes the union gets shocked and sometimes the company gets shocked after the first run. I wouldn't doubt that as you got beyond the 125 A350 F/O slots that were actually awarded and moved closer to the 160 that were originally posted, that you got into the realm of pilots who put the A350 F/O over M88 Capt on their AE preference. As the company reduced the number of 350 awards from 160 to 125, those with 350B first and M88A second found themselves getting their second choice and therefore pulled the junior M88A award up in seniority all the way to a 4 monther.

Either way, it's a different world from 15-20 years ago when it was 5 years to be a junior ER F/O and 10 years to hold a junior Capt slot (putting aside the lower-tier Sunshine Operation, of course). Hopefully it continues....because, regardless, it is good for all of us.

N10DJ

I'm very interested in this thread because while I don't have job offers from either right now, I do have interviews with both. Since I'm a glass half full kinda guy, Im hoping my biggest issue is having to decide which class to attend in a month or two.

I would be one of the youngest pilots at AA, and below the average of a relatively young DAL group. Don't know if my age will truly make any difference towards my QOL towards the end of my career. Figured it's worth mentioning though. I don't mind moving to a base. My long term flying goal is line holding WB International. Shorter term goal is having as much control of my schedule as I can. Overall goal is happiness with where I'm at (don't think there's really a bad choice nowadays).

Does AA retirements give me the best chance of achieving this?
Or does DAL contract give me the better chance of achieving this?

Sliceback

It looks like you’d retire around #2 at AA unless they hires some young guys in the last class. That’s assuming your 25.
I don’t have the final DL number but I have an estimated seniority number for future ages (nearest hundred) -


DL AA

55. 1100. 200
50. 2500. 500
45. 3700. 1200
40. 5500. 1900
35. 8000. 5200

Retirement data from APC posts.

G4 CA at 42(?). Line holder at 45. Assuming current bidding patterns remain constant.

Upgrade at junior base projected to be fall 2022 using current manning and retirements.

I’d move to Bucks County, PA. An hour to PHL, 1+45(?) to JFK. Keeps both bases in play without commuting.

Jet Jockey 00

It really depends on where you live. If you have a 30 yr. career things will change at both carriers over time but the bases will remain the same for the most part, especially ATL and DFW? Maybe you have family there or maybe your a SEA kind of guy.

btw Slickback whats the junior 777 CA in DFW? Moses or Captain America?

Name User

My god some people have all the luck.

Dolphinflyer

Yes, but remember that he's still only get to #2 which means he'll eventually be beetching in ops or endlessly complaining across some ocean track about not getting his first choice.

AFPirate

'86 hire... 1,1XX seniority.