Corporate to Airlines venting...
12-09-2017, 04:36 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by Mink
D-bags are present in all parts of the flying business.
The bigger issue is...why, in every class, is there the obligatory guy (or guys) that have to prolong my beerlessness with witty comments, "real world" stories, and out-of-left-field questions? I'm all for a useful exchange of professional info in these settings, but c'mon.
There is such a thing as a stupid question.
The bigger issue is...why, in every class, is there the obligatory guy (or guys) that have to prolong my beerlessness with witty comments, "real world" stories, and out-of-left-field questions? I'm all for a useful exchange of professional info in these settings, but c'mon.
There is such a thing as a stupid question.
There damn sure is at least one in every class.
Had an instructor once who kept referring to "that guy" every time a really stupid question was asked....
As in: "Y'all ever hear of 'that guy' in every class who is the class idiot? If you are looking around and can't figure out who 'that guy' is-it's you...."
And of course, 'that guy' never figured it out and kept right on asking stupid ass questions. Because-he really was the prototypical 'that guy.'
12-09-2017, 05:04 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by jcountry
HAHA!
There damn sure is at least one in every class.
Had an instructor once who kept referring to "that guy" every time a really stupid question was asked....
As in: "Y'all ever hear of 'that guy' in every class who is the class idiot? If you are looking around and can't figure out who 'that guy' is-it's you...."
And of course, 'that guy' never figured it out and kept right on asking stupid ass questions. Because-he really was the prototypical 'that guy.'
There damn sure is at least one in every class.
Had an instructor once who kept referring to "that guy" every time a really stupid question was asked....
As in: "Y'all ever hear of 'that guy' in every class who is the class idiot? If you are looking around and can't figure out who 'that guy' is-it's you...."
And of course, 'that guy' never figured it out and kept right on asking stupid ass questions. Because-he really was the prototypical 'that guy.'
12-09-2017, 11:18 PM
#43
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Position: 737 FO
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After Flying corporate for 13 years and now flying 121 I can verify that a fair amount of corporate guys (90% older and corporate lifers/ never going to the airlines) have a prejudice against those in the Airline world. Here’s why:
Job threat: it’s kinda like an unspoken scope protection that exists amongst corporate pilots. They want to keep the flying amongst their own away from outsiders.
Past rejection: I came across several individuals who were rejected by a major once or several times, they never seemed to get over it.
Stuck on their path: Many guys are looking at retirement now and try to justify their path, one way is to denigrate the path you didnt take.
Fear of loosing pilots: some managers and chief pilots see how the ranks are dwindling, out of desperation they are trying to “save the younger guys” from a bad career choice. So they badmouth it hoping to persuade others to stay put.
No Union: this is the biggest reason IMHO, Corporate guys have to always think about themselves because no one else is, so the mindset is usually “ ME ME ME”. Also, for some reason a lot of corporate guys hate unions and in general are very right wingy.
Personally, corporate was never for me and leaving 2 years ago to go to a major was the best decision. It was just a place to hang my hat and gain experience during the lost decade. It is my belief that most of the younger guys crossing over to 121 don’t share the anti Airline guy mentality amongst the corporate lifers.
Job threat: it’s kinda like an unspoken scope protection that exists amongst corporate pilots. They want to keep the flying amongst their own away from outsiders.
Past rejection: I came across several individuals who were rejected by a major once or several times, they never seemed to get over it.
Stuck on their path: Many guys are looking at retirement now and try to justify their path, one way is to denigrate the path you didnt take.
Fear of loosing pilots: some managers and chief pilots see how the ranks are dwindling, out of desperation they are trying to “save the younger guys” from a bad career choice. So they badmouth it hoping to persuade others to stay put.
No Union: this is the biggest reason IMHO, Corporate guys have to always think about themselves because no one else is, so the mindset is usually “ ME ME ME”. Also, for some reason a lot of corporate guys hate unions and in general are very right wingy.
Personally, corporate was never for me and leaving 2 years ago to go to a major was the best decision. It was just a place to hang my hat and gain experience during the lost decade. It is my belief that most of the younger guys crossing over to 121 don’t share the anti Airline guy mentality amongst the corporate lifers.
Last edited by LibertyPilot; 12-09-2017 at 11:28 PM.
12-10-2017, 12:38 AM
#44
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Agreed. I think it also depends on what the corporate gig was.
Some gigs are spectacular, and some are the Great Lakes of the Part 91 world.
My corporate job was the result of the regional Bataan Death March during the lost decade—my family just couldn’t make ends meet anymore. We went to a 12 year upgrade, majors weren’t hiring, pilots we’re being furloughed...so corporate was a no brainer.
One thing some airline guys may not have an appreciation for, is the amount of work that some operators have to do to get a jet off the ground. I find 121 very cushy in that regard, with cleaning crews, dispatchers, fuelers, schedulers, maintainers, flight attendants, rampers...
In my corporate gig, those jobs were also my job. Plus we were on call 24/7.
If you meet a corporate pilot with a disdain for airline pilots, he either has a ****ty gig, doesn’t have the requirements, or was turned down by X Airline...
There are tool bags everywhere in aviation.
Some gigs are spectacular, and some are the Great Lakes of the Part 91 world.
My corporate job was the result of the regional Bataan Death March during the lost decade—my family just couldn’t make ends meet anymore. We went to a 12 year upgrade, majors weren’t hiring, pilots we’re being furloughed...so corporate was a no brainer.
One thing some airline guys may not have an appreciation for, is the amount of work that some operators have to do to get a jet off the ground. I find 121 very cushy in that regard, with cleaning crews, dispatchers, fuelers, schedulers, maintainers, flight attendants, rampers...
In my corporate gig, those jobs were also my job. Plus we were on call 24/7.
If you meet a corporate pilot with a disdain for airline pilots, he either has a ****ty gig, doesn’t have the requirements, or was turned down by X Airline...
There are tool bags everywhere in aviation.
12-10-2017, 02:08 AM
#45
You scratched my anchor
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Posts: 4,876
Originally Posted by kingairfun
I remember there was a letter, do not recall its wording from that long ago. I do know it was not accepted by the Delta pilots all too well. JC was so full of himself if I recall. He didn't have any negotiating power to stipulate RJ deliveries. But thinking about it, why wouldn't Delta put RJ flying at Comair and ASA instead of Mesa?
Just like Delta pilots wanted scope on RJ's, we wanted to keep any RJ's in house instead of going to the lowest bidder. ( thus attempting to keep pay rates up.)
I was all for Mainline keeping their flying. Less RJ's the better. But if there were gonna be RJ deliveries, why not keep them with Delta wholly owned?
My point though is CALPA, up to that point had no input in hiring. Management, HR and our hiring department did the hiring. At any time Comair could have hired who they wanted, when they wanted. With no resignation. ,anagement chose not to because ot played into the hostility towards Comair, and helped with our whipsaw. And seeing how Delta owned Comair, it should have fallen on Delta to find a work for Delta furloughees at Comair, they had their guys from Delta Connection running Comair.
Delta chose to play Comair against Delta pilots, which is ironic because we should have all been pulling in the same direction seeing how we all benefitted from a healthy Delta Inc.
Just like Delta pilots wanted scope on RJ's, we wanted to keep any RJ's in house instead of going to the lowest bidder. ( thus attempting to keep pay rates up.)
I was all for Mainline keeping their flying. Less RJ's the better. But if there were gonna be RJ deliveries, why not keep them with Delta wholly owned?
My point though is CALPA, up to that point had no input in hiring. Management, HR and our hiring department did the hiring. At any time Comair could have hired who they wanted, when they wanted. With no resignation. ,anagement chose not to because ot played into the hostility towards Comair, and helped with our whipsaw. And seeing how Delta owned Comair, it should have fallen on Delta to find a work for Delta furloughees at Comair, they had their guys from Delta Connection running Comair.
Delta chose to play Comair against Delta pilots, which is ironic because we should have all been pulling in the same direction seeing how we all benefitted from a healthy Delta Inc.
12-10-2017, 04:22 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
I’d like to see the letter. Been hearing about it for years.
JC was such an asshat, I’m sure it was drivel about “ DOH or nothing.”
God. That guy was a jerk on the level of the very worst the industry has ever produced.
12-10-2017, 05:15 AM
#47
You scratched my anchor
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Originally Posted by jcountry
I remember seeing it, but don’t recall specifics.
JC was such an asshat, I’m sure it was drivel about “ DOH or nothing.”
God. That guy was a jerk on the level of the very worst the industry has ever produced.
JC was such an asshat, I’m sure it was drivel about “ DOH or nothing.”
God. That guy was a jerk on the level of the very worst the industry has ever produced.
12-11-2017, 09:47 AM
#48
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Originally Posted by at6d
If you meet a corporate pilot with a disdain for airline pilots, he either has a ****ty gig, doesn’t have the requirements, or was turned down by X Airline...
There are also quite a few managers who have the "big fish in a small pond" syndrome, and when airlines are going through difficult times, these sadistic pricks take pleasure in laughing to the furloughed airline guys' faces. I've witnessed this first hand in VNY after my old airline tanked.
I'll just say that I have faith in our interview and screening process.
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