2017 W2 Earnings
01-08-2018, 03:08 PM
#273
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Posts: 869
Originally Posted by EWRflyr
1) Airline employer: United
2) Seat: First Officer
3) Equipment: 737
4) Years of Service with company: 10/11
5) How many days you worked: 150
6) How many overnights you had: 110
7) How many hours you blocked: 742
8) How many hours did you credit: 1,130
9) Expected gross income: $221,000
10) Extra Pay (DC, PS, etc.): $32K B-fund; $21K PS; $7K per diem
2) Seat: First Officer
3) Equipment: 737
4) Years of Service with company: 10/11
5) How many days you worked: 150
6) How many overnights you had: 110
7) How many hours you blocked: 742
8) How many hours did you credit: 1,130
9) Expected gross income: $221,000
10) Extra Pay (DC, PS, etc.): $32K B-fund; $21K PS; $7K per diem
01-08-2018, 04:14 PM
#274
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Position: 767 Captain
Posts: 3,988
Originally Posted by spaaks
Shocking to me that a 2nd yr southwest fo CAN make 20-40k more than a 10yr United FO!?!
The last SWA guy I found posted back on page 23 (10 years at SWA) and his numbers look about 30K less than the UAL guy you put in your post:
Originally Posted by MudhammedCJ
1) WN
2) FO
3) Guppy
4) 9/10th year (50/50)
5) 120-125 days (ish) after sick, vacation, JA etc...
6) 100 Overnights
7) 680 hours flown
8) 1225 trip credit (102 per month most the time with about 2 higher and 2 lower)
9) $185k
10) + Profit Sharing $25k or so, $25k NEC, $5700 per diem.
2) FO
3) Guppy
4) 9/10th year (50/50)
5) 120-125 days (ish) after sick, vacation, JA etc...
6) 100 Overnights
7) 680 hours flown
8) 1225 trip credit (102 per month most the time with about 2 higher and 2 lower)
9) $185k
10) + Profit Sharing $25k or so, $25k NEC, $5700 per diem.
01-08-2018, 04:29 PM
#275
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Originally Posted by spaaks
Shocking to me that a 2nd yr southwest fo CAN make 20-40k more than a 10yr United FO!?!
At UAL, I know guys who aggressively work the system and come in at/near the top of some of those figures (and sort of kill their QOL), and plenty who find a work/life balance and come in more modestly but have a lifestyle I aim to match.
Here's another data point:
UAL 2/3yr FO
Total gross: (PD/PS/etc): 185k+
plus company 401k input: 26k+
so, 210k+ish.
Commuted. Worked too much some months and picked some stuff up when it fit the schedule. In some months, worked as little as possible which was still enough. Prob averaged 14-17 days of work a month on average. Looking forward to not going nuts next year but can't complain too much.
01-08-2018, 04:58 PM
#276
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Originally Posted by spaaks
Shocking to me that a 2nd yr southwest fo CAN make 20-40k more than a 10yr United FO!?!
Try a SWA captain who apparently hired a secretary to scour open time and bid for him. I think his total for 2017 is in the lower 700k range when you account for B-plan, PS, PD.
01-08-2018, 05:09 PM
#277
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Posts: 869
You’re right it’s person to person not swa to ual or dal. Check out these vast differences in relatively similar data points 1-3 ish years on property
Originally Posted by ScooterE6
Retired MIL, younger kids still at home so I sit reserve in domicile to spend as much time at home as possible. PLAN to work more when empty nester paying for college.
1) Airline employer - UAL
2) Seat - FO
3) Equipment - A320, Reserve in domicile 12 months
4) Years of Service with company - 2yr pay 4mths, 3yr 8mths
5) How many overnights you had - 74
6) How many hours you blocked - 515:08
7) How many hours did you credit - 950:14
8) Gross Flight Pay - $135,300
9) PD - $5,100
10) Other special Pay - $1,400
11) PS - $11,400 (2016 paid in 2017)
12) 2017 Gross income - $153,200
Add in...
13) 401K (2017) - $21,600 (16%)
1) Airline employer - UAL
2) Seat - FO
3) Equipment - A320, Reserve in domicile 12 months
4) Years of Service with company - 2yr pay 4mths, 3yr 8mths
5) How many overnights you had - 74
6) How many hours you blocked - 515:08
7) How many hours did you credit - 950:14
8) Gross Flight Pay - $135,300
9) PD - $5,100
10) Other special Pay - $1,400
11) PS - $11,400 (2016 paid in 2017)
12) 2017 Gross income - $153,200
Add in...
13) 401K (2017) - $21,600 (16%)
Originally Posted by bright yellow
I'll chime in as a Capt flying in Asia.
Employer: Scoot, An LCC based in Singapore.
Fleet/position: B787/ Capt.
Years of service: 1
Block hours: 850
2017 Gross pay: 200k. Does not include Per Diem about 6K, Provident funds of 10k plus average bonus of 2-3 months of your basic salary.
No socks!
Earning a lot less than the FOs with the legacies!
Employer: Scoot, An LCC based in Singapore.
Fleet/position: B787/ Capt.
Years of service: 1
Block hours: 850
2017 Gross pay: 200k. Does not include Per Diem about 6K, Provident funds of 10k plus average bonus of 2-3 months of your basic salary.
No socks!
Earning a lot less than the FOs with the legacies!
Originally Posted by BZC17
Swa
FO 3.5 yrs
800 Block
150k gross
6.2k per diem
25k dc
17k ps
FO 3.5 yrs
800 Block
150k gross
6.2k per diem
25k dc
17k ps
Originally Posted by at6d
SWA, just finished year 2.
Drive 1:45 to work.
$131,900 gross
$17,678 NEC
$6990 per diem
845 block
very little OT
no international
No reserve
No AM trips
1 easy JA trip
Christmas and New Year’s Day off
I aim for about 105 TFP per month, and usually have 15-17 days off.
Drive 1:45 to work.
$131,900 gross
$17,678 NEC
$6990 per diem
845 block
very little OT
no international
No reserve
No AM trips
1 easy JA trip
Christmas and New Year’s Day off
I aim for about 105 TFP per month, and usually have 15-17 days off.
Originally Posted by ground stop
Southwest Slacker
1mo 1st yr/ 11mo 2nd yr
Drive 2 hr to base
No pick up
Worked about 135 days
Block 699hrs
Gross $121500
Bfund $16200
Per Diem $5600
1mo 1st yr/ 11mo 2nd yr
Drive 2 hr to base
No pick up
Worked about 135 days
Block 699hrs
Gross $121500
Bfund $16200
Per Diem $5600
Originally Posted by OverTheCap
SWA
Just over 2 years on property
737 FO Cartel of One
817 block (3 months <45 block)
193.1K Total Gross Pay
7.74K Per Diem
25.9K NEC B Fund
21.2K 11% ??? Profit Sharing (some say 14+%)
247.94K Total Compensation
I've got no agenda in posting this other than I know guys look at SWA as a stale peanut backwards Texas airline that you'll only fly NB 73s, take forever to upgrade, and is past its prime. I'd beg to differ. The place definitely has its issues, but all in all the CAs fly very safe/standard, the pilot Group looks out for the junior segment, employee groups treat each other very well, the CPs take care of folks, the Training is getting way better, and if you don't mind working, you can be very productive for you/your family with your time at work.
There's a lot of rah rah burn it down you'll hear and read just like anywhere, and I even throw a log or three on that fire from time to time myself. And it certainly has its points to improve (go Casey and the NC) but it sounds/feels like the Pilot Group is galvanizing as a Group towards C2020 to address some of the loopholes and crew Scheduling practices. On the JS with other airlines, and hearing those perspectives, I feel fortunate to have the SWAPA 2.0 we have NOW, not the old SWAPA, and definitely not ALPA, 1224, etc.
Bottom Line is if that PS burps above 11%...I don't know of too many any other places you can tap on 250k in total comp your 2nd year. Hope this encourages some good guys (91/135, corporate, acmi, regional, mil) to keep their apps updated here.
1st year guys bid straight if you need too. You'll eventually 117 limit yourself though. Then when you get your 2nd year pay raise you'll see the wah wah no soup for you messages as your straight time bidding catches up to you with 117 limitations. Ensure you leverage:
-If awarded a Trip at Premium it pays 2nd year too
-Monthly Open Time (MOT)is generally low seniority competition, easy way to pick up 2nd year pay
-a trip picked up from MOT will have a /M. After ELITT opens you can trade that Trip "up" from a 2 or 3 day to a 3 or 4 day. It'll still keep the /M and pay second year
-any trip you pick up after it's awarded to a reserve ( (AR) on the Open Time Awards report ) pays at 2nd year IF it was run through the open time process. So watch when DOT closes at 0900. If you don't get the Trip you want and it was assigned to a reserve, call sked, verify it was run through the open time process, and snag that Trip. Text your bro afterwards.
Plus all this and if you fly with most (not all) former F-Teeners you'll get FREE flight instruction ��
Just over 2 years on property
737 FO Cartel of One
817 block (3 months <45 block)
193.1K Total Gross Pay
7.74K Per Diem
25.9K NEC B Fund
21.2K 11% ??? Profit Sharing (some say 14+%)
247.94K Total Compensation
I've got no agenda in posting this other than I know guys look at SWA as a stale peanut backwards Texas airline that you'll only fly NB 73s, take forever to upgrade, and is past its prime. I'd beg to differ. The place definitely has its issues, but all in all the CAs fly very safe/standard, the pilot Group looks out for the junior segment, employee groups treat each other very well, the CPs take care of folks, the Training is getting way better, and if you don't mind working, you can be very productive for you/your family with your time at work.
There's a lot of rah rah burn it down you'll hear and read just like anywhere, and I even throw a log or three on that fire from time to time myself. And it certainly has its points to improve (go Casey and the NC) but it sounds/feels like the Pilot Group is galvanizing as a Group towards C2020 to address some of the loopholes and crew Scheduling practices. On the JS with other airlines, and hearing those perspectives, I feel fortunate to have the SWAPA 2.0 we have NOW, not the old SWAPA, and definitely not ALPA, 1224, etc.
Bottom Line is if that PS burps above 11%...I don't know of too many any other places you can tap on 250k in total comp your 2nd year. Hope this encourages some good guys (91/135, corporate, acmi, regional, mil) to keep their apps updated here.
1st year guys bid straight if you need too. You'll eventually 117 limit yourself though. Then when you get your 2nd year pay raise you'll see the wah wah no soup for you messages as your straight time bidding catches up to you with 117 limitations. Ensure you leverage:
-If awarded a Trip at Premium it pays 2nd year too
-Monthly Open Time (MOT)is generally low seniority competition, easy way to pick up 2nd year pay
-a trip picked up from MOT will have a /M. After ELITT opens you can trade that Trip "up" from a 2 or 3 day to a 3 or 4 day. It'll still keep the /M and pay second year
-any trip you pick up after it's awarded to a reserve ( (AR) on the Open Time Awards report ) pays at 2nd year IF it was run through the open time process. So watch when DOT closes at 0900. If you don't get the Trip you want and it was assigned to a reserve, call sked, verify it was run through the open time process, and snag that Trip. Text your bro afterwards.
Plus all this and if you fly with most (not all) former F-Teeners you'll get FREE flight instruction ��
Originally Posted by OverTheCap
SWA
Just over 2 years on property
737 FO Cartel of One
817 block (3 months <45 block)
193.1K Total Gross Pay
7.74K Per Diem
25.9K NEC B Fund
21.2K 11% ??? Profit Sharing (some say 14+%)
247.94K Total Compensation
I've got no agenda in posting this other than I know guys look at SWA as a stale peanut backwards Texas airline that you'll only fly NB 73s, take forever to upgrade, and is past its prime. I'd beg to differ. The place definitely has its issues, but all in all the CAs fly very safe/standard, the pilot Group looks out for the junior segment, employee groups treat each other very well, the CPs take care of folks, the Training is getting way better, and if you don't mind working, you can be very productive for you/your family with your time at work.
There's a lot of rah rah burn it down you'll hear and read just st like anywhere, and I even throw a log on that fire from time to time myself. And it certainly has its points to improve (go Casey and the NC) but it sounds/feels like the Pilot Group is galvanizing as a Group towards C2020 to address some of the loopholes and crew Scheduling practices. In JS with other airlines, and hearing those perspectives, I feel fortunate to have the SWAPA 2.0 we have NOW, not the old SWAPA, and definitely not ALPA, 1224, etc.
Bottom Line is if that PS burps above 11%...I don't know of too many any other places you can tap on 250k in total comp your 2nd year. Hope this encourages some good guys (91/135, corporate, acmi, regional, mil) to keep their apps updated here.
Just over 2 years on property
737 FO Cartel of One
817 block (3 months <45 block)
193.1K Total Gross Pay
7.74K Per Diem
25.9K NEC B Fund
21.2K 11% ??? Profit Sharing (some say 14+%)
247.94K Total Compensation
I've got no agenda in posting this other than I know guys look at SWA as a stale peanut backwards Texas airline that you'll only fly NB 73s, take forever to upgrade, and is past its prime. I'd beg to differ. The place definitely has its issues, but all in all the CAs fly very safe/standard, the pilot Group looks out for the junior segment, employee groups treat each other very well, the CPs take care of folks, the Training is getting way better, and if you don't mind working, you can be very productive for you/your family with your time at work.
There's a lot of rah rah burn it down you'll hear and read just st like anywhere, and I even throw a log on that fire from time to time myself. And it certainly has its points to improve (go Casey and the NC) but it sounds/feels like the Pilot Group is galvanizing as a Group towards C2020 to address some of the loopholes and crew Scheduling practices. In JS with other airlines, and hearing those perspectives, I feel fortunate to have the SWAPA 2.0 we have NOW, not the old SWAPA, and definitely not ALPA, 1224, etc.
Bottom Line is if that PS burps above 11%...I don't know of too many any other places you can tap on 250k in total comp your 2nd year. Hope this encourages some good guys (91/135, corporate, acmi, regional, mil) to keep their apps updated here.
Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
SWA FO
year 1/2 (half n half)
99 nights in a hotel, i bid/trade into trips that pass through my home city(an extra 10 nights at home), also live within driving distance of my base.
1574 trip for pay credit (1370 hours)
862 block flown
$137k
$19k NEC into 401k
PS TBD, but 12% would be another $16.4 into 401k
Total comp: est $182k
year 1/2 (half n half)
99 nights in a hotel, i bid/trade into trips that pass through my home city(an extra 10 nights at home), also live within driving distance of my base.
1574 trip for pay credit (1370 hours)
862 block flown
$137k
$19k NEC into 401k
PS TBD, but 12% would be another $16.4 into 401k
Total comp: est $182k
Originally Posted by Trip7
Airline employer: Delta
Seat: Captain
Equipment: 717
Years of Service with company: 3
How many hours you blocked: 558 (All RSV)
Expected gross income: $264,479 including $32,400 PS
Extra Pay (DC, PS, etc.): $36K B-fund $6K DC excess cash $6.5K per diem
Seat: Captain
Equipment: 717
Years of Service with company: 3
How many hours you blocked: 558 (All RSV)
Expected gross income: $264,479 including $32,400 PS
Extra Pay (DC, PS, etc.): $36K B-fund $6K DC excess cash $6.5K per diem
Originally Posted by pete2800
Here ya go, but since the old contract was in effect for 10 months, and I spent over half the year on first year pay, this isn't a great representation for what a person starting this year would experience.
Anyway.
- FO, 1st/2nd year pay. Over half 1st year, which was at 57/hour.
- Based at home, didn't pick up extra. Sometimes I traded for higher credit trips on the same days.
- On reserve about half the year, some of that was by choice.
- 76k base pay.
- 5k per diem.
- 10.5k 401k contribution.
$91.5k total.
Anyway.
- FO, 1st/2nd year pay. Over half 1st year, which was at 57/hour.
- Based at home, didn't pick up extra. Sometimes I traded for higher credit trips on the same days.
- On reserve about half the year, some of that was by choice.
- 76k base pay.
- 5k per diem.
- 10.5k 401k contribution.
$91.5k total.
Originally Posted by Count Dracula
UAL
FO NB
2nd Year
Reserve/Line Holder
$124K Gross
$6500 per diem
$20,300 401K Company B
No profit sharing, missed it by 16 days
Block Hours: 545
Very small premium p/u
Commuter
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FO NB
2nd Year
Reserve/Line Holder
$124K Gross
$6500 per diem
$20,300 401K Company B
No profit sharing, missed it by 16 days
Block Hours: 545
Very small premium p/u
Commuter
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
1) DAL
2) 9 months 7ER FO, 1 month training, 2 months NB captain
3) 757/717
4) Years of Service with company - 3 years
5) How many days you worked - 109 days @ single pay (includes roughly 20+ training days), 9 @ double pay
6) How many overnights you had - 62
7) Days bought for OE - 23
8) Vacation and payback days - 32
9) How many hours you blocked - 420
10) Expected gross income (including PS from last year's work) - $218k
11) Company 401K - $34k
12) Check of the month club - $65k
I probably screwed up moving to the left seat. I'll get a little more money next year for a lot more work.
2) 9 months 7ER FO, 1 month training, 2 months NB captain
3) 757/717
4) Years of Service with company - 3 years
5) How many days you worked - 109 days @ single pay (includes roughly 20+ training days), 9 @ double pay
6) How many overnights you had - 62
7) Days bought for OE - 23
8) Vacation and payback days - 32
9) How many hours you blocked - 420
10) Expected gross income (including PS from last year's work) - $218k
11) Company 401K - $34k
12) Check of the month club - $65k
I probably screwed up moving to the left seat. I'll get a little more money next year for a lot more work.
01-08-2018, 05:42 PM
#279
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 575
Junior FedEx B777 Captain, 20 YOS. Mostly flew schedule, flew one extra draft trip. No carryover.
1. FedEx
2. Capt
3. B777
4. 20 YOS
5. Days worked?
6. Overnights? When ever I worked!
7. Blocked 535hrs
8. Credit hours?
9. Gross $339K
10. Extra, Draft trip $42K, training extra $8k, Per Diem $10k, Intl Override $10k, Sick buy back $21.8K, B fund $20.8K
Total $451.6K
1. FedEx
2. Capt
3. B777
4. 20 YOS
5. Days worked?
6. Overnights? When ever I worked!
7. Blocked 535hrs
8. Credit hours?
9. Gross $339K
10. Extra, Draft trip $42K, training extra $8k, Per Diem $10k, Intl Override $10k, Sick buy back $21.8K, B fund $20.8K
Total $451.6K
01-08-2018, 11:08 PM
#280
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 96
Originally Posted by max8222
Junior FedEx B777 Captain, 20 YOS. Mostly flew schedule, flew one extra draft trip. No carryover.
1. FedEx
2. Capt
3. B777
4. 20 YOS
5. Days worked?
6. Overnights? When ever I worked!
7. Blocked 535hrs
8. Credit hours?
9. Gross $339K
10. Extra, Draft trip $42K, training extra $8k, Per Diem $10k, Intl Override $10k, Sick buy back $21.8K, B fund $20.8K
Total $451.6K
1. FedEx
2. Capt
3. B777
4. 20 YOS
5. Days worked?
6. Overnights? When ever I worked!
7. Blocked 535hrs
8. Credit hours?
9. Gross $339K
10. Extra, Draft trip $42K, training extra $8k, Per Diem $10k, Intl Override $10k, Sick buy back $21.8K, B fund $20.8K
Total $451.6K
Nice work!
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