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Old 02-15-2018, 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik View Post
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No, I get it. It just seems low.
No, we just live in a completely different world than many Americans. My first year at a Major, I made more than my parents have ever made (combined)...and they worked their butts off, to raise 3 children. For whatever reason most people see it as taboo to talk about what they make, but if they did, I think you'd be shocked. What we make would be absolutely mind boggling to the average American.

Check out the book Hillbilly Elegy.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP View Post
I know AIA-certified architects and electrical/mechanical/civil PEs with Masters degrees and 2+ decades of experience who make less salary than guarantee of a second year FO at the current “Big Six”...to say nothing of retirement and medical. They also are largely tied to a laptop/iPad or phone.

Lawyers are the same way; good pay but hours that would make a ACMI pilot from 25 years ago cry.

Pilots can be a myopic bunch at times...

If you want stimulation, get a hobby - you should be able to afford it.

Boiler, I’ve always enjoyed your posts. Another good one.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:36 AM
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But the flip side is that all of those folks could have decided to be pilots, too.

It took me nearly 20 years to get where I am, with many of those years working at poverty level wages and side jobs.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Pilots tend not to understand this. Once you've made it in the white-collar world... then you have to keep it. Every day. Every single day. And that includes days off.

Frankly if you're a highly paid, highly experienced (translation: old) worker you're either a rockstar or a target. Somebody can fire you, hire a 20-something for 1/3 your pay, and then claim a $15K bonus on their annual evaluation for efficiency.
Unless you work for yourself. 300K per year and home every night with no hotels (unless on vacation), no bidding to get special days off. TO each his own. That's what makes this such a great country. There is no right or wrong answer.
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Old 02-15-2018, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg View Post
No, we just live in a completely different world than many Americans. My first year at a Major, I made more than my parents have ever made (combined)...and they worked their butts off, to raise 3 children. For whatever reason most people see it as taboo to talk about what they make, but if they did, I think you'd be shocked. What we make would be absolutely mind boggling to the average American.

Check out the book Hillbilly Elegy.
Yup. Got to take a step back every once in a while.
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Old 02-15-2018, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluesky1 View Post
Unless you work for yourself. 300K per year and home every night with no hotels (unless on vacation), no bidding to get special days off. TO each his own. That's what makes this such a great country. There is no right or wrong answer.
I did say that my discussion was about W2 workers, not business owners. That's a whole 'nother set of trade offs.

To get a small business to $300K free and clear and personal schedule flexibility involves it's own brand of dues paying. The safest and most predictable path there is probably fast-food franchises... but frankly I'd rather fly a jet, at least I can look out the window.
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