Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 2572816)

Hoping for common sense to prevail qualifies as a silly fantasy.

Originally Posted by THRIDLEOPDES (Post 2572383)

That is some kind of bull****. I wonder if we can report a violation, for a controller that forget to give a frequency change.
Dont know if it's just me, but it surely feels that in the last few years, ATC has been transferring responsibilities to pilots. As a result WE have more chances to screw up. This whole CLIMB/DESCENT via crap with 20 crossing altitude at or below, in between, and don't forget the little square that tells you what speed you need, and have 2 different bottom altitude depending on the runway that you get at the last minute anyway, and call tower at the FAF, etc....
Would be time to start some kind of lobbying and draw the line somewhere.

Originally Posted by Falcondrivr (Post 2572907)

My latest pet peeve is the NORCAL tracon guys who will say “you’re number two for 30L at SJC behind x.” If you say you have x in sight, they then say “maintain visual separation from x and you are cleared visual 30L.”
How can I maintain separation from the aircraft in front of me going to the same runway? A 737 looks pretty much the same from directly behind from 5 miles and 4 miles. It’s the controller laying off their responsibility on to us.
I’ve started saying I don’t have the aircraft ahead in sight because it happens every single time.

Originally Posted by Falcondrivr (Post 2572907)

My latest pet peeve is the NORCAL tracon guys who will say “you’re number two for 30L at SJC behind x.” If you say you have x in sight, they then say “maintain visual separation from x and you are cleared visual 30L.”
How can I maintain separation from the aircraft in front of me going to the same runway? A 737 looks pretty much the same from directly behind from 5 miles and 4 miles. It’s the controller laying off their responsibility on to us.
I’ve started saying I don’t have the aircraft ahead in sight because it happens every single time.

Originally Posted by THRIDLEOPDES (Post 2572383)

That is some kind of bull****. I wonder if we can report a violation, for a controller that forget to give a frequency change.
Dont know if it's just me, but it surely feels that in the last few years, ATC has been transferring responsibilities to pilots. As a result WE have more chances to screw up. This whole CLIMB/DESCENT via crap with 20 crossing altitude at or below, in between, and don't forget the little square that tells you what speed you need, and have 2 different bottom altitude depending on the runway that you get at the last minute anyway, and call tower at the FAF, etc....
Would be time to start some kind of lobbying and draw the line somewhere.

Originally Posted by terks43 (Post 2573065)

I hate that call the tower at the FAF crap. Whenever they give me it I just switch over and call immediately, I don’t care. How about they do their job and look at the radar to figure out who’s first. I’m looking at you CLT.

Originally Posted by Falcondrivr (Post 2572907)

My latest pet peeve is the NORCAL tracon guys who will say “you’re number two for 30L at SJC behind x.” If you say you have x in sight, they then say “maintain visual separation from x and you are cleared visual 30L.”
How can I maintain separation from the aircraft in front of me going to the same runway? A 737 looks pretty much the same from directly behind from 5 miles and 4 miles. It’s the controller laying off their responsibility on to us.
I’ve started saying I don’t have the aircraft ahead in sight because it happens every single time.

Originally Posted by captjns (Post 2573205)

Not worth getting your knickers in a twist. “Not in sight” works like a charm all the time.

Originally Posted by terks43 (Post 2573065)

I hate that call the tower at the FAF crap. Whenever they give me it I just switch over and call immediately, I don’t care. How about they do their job and look at the radar to figure out who’s first. I’m looking at you CLT.