FAA bill and single pilot ops
06-03-2018, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Yep, exactly. This is why the unions have no credibility, stunts like this.
06-03-2018, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
The technology is much further along than we have been led to beleive. Email your MEC chairmen about their closed door meeting with various government agencies recently. This is real and it is coming quicker than many have anticipated. We need to draw a very definitive line in the sand.
How about you post first what yours has said. Most of us would need more proof of what you’re talking about before we randomly confront our MECs with, frankly, wild conspiracy-theory-type accusations.
Bottom line is it will take decades to convince the flying public this is needed and safe. We may have the tech now but that doesn’t mean people would fly with it up front right away.
06-03-2018, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
B.S. this is exactly what I want and expect our union to do. This is trying to defend our careers. I would be very upset if ALPA wasn't trying to get this provision removed from the bill.
06-03-2018, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
If they were actually trying to implement it, then I could understand the resistance. But to study it really isn't a big deal. They look petty when they cry wolf over something so silly.
06-03-2018, 05:09 PM
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What about the possibility of new automation and technology brought about by the development of "single pilot airliners" making flying safer and more economical for the flying public? It might actually be a good thing (except for the aviator, I suppose).
06-03-2018, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Wang Wei
What about the possibility of new automation and technology brought about by the development of "single pilot airliners" making flying safer and more economical for the flying public? It might actually be a good thing (except for the aviator, I suppose).
06-03-2018, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I guess taking 50,000 of the middle class’s best earners out of the economy means nothing. How many of us will be retrained for some job of the future that replaces our current income. Not many. Americans love things cheap even to their own detriment. Walmartization of America. So wonderful.
It might not happen in 10, 20, or even 50 years, but it will happen. Is society obligated to stop progress because it makes the jobs of 0.01% of the population obsolete?
If this thing represented a fundamental threat to safety, I'd sign a petition without hesitation. If it represented a fundamental threat to my job, I'd sign a petition for selfish reasons. It does neither, so I'm not signing.
06-03-2018, 07:17 PM
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I get the relative size that airline pilots make up in the national economy. I was more making a broader point of the middle class disappearing as good paying honest jobs get eliminated. Not many of my neighbors can support their families on one income. I’d guess few have much saved for retirement. The income gap keeps widening and those in the middle suddenly find themselves as those just getting by.
I see single pilot or no pilot study as a threat to our jobs yes. Immediate, no. But we need to stretch this thing out as long as we can. It’ll never die but whatever we can do to slow the process down is good for us. We already know that with current equipment, moving to single pilot would be a threat to safety. I don’t need my tax money spent telling us what we already know
I see single pilot or no pilot study as a threat to our jobs yes. Immediate, no. But we need to stretch this thing out as long as we can. It’ll never die but whatever we can do to slow the process down is good for us. We already know that with current equipment, moving to single pilot would be a threat to safety. I don’t need my tax money spent telling us what we already know
06-03-2018, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Wang Wei
If this thing represented a fundamental threat to safety, I'd sign a petition without hesitation. If it represented a fundamental threat to my job, I'd sign a petition for selfish reasons. It does neither, so I'm not signing.
Take a look at single pilot vs crew cockpit safety statistics . It's a night and day difference. Two pilots are substantially safer than one, no question.
Secondly, you seriously don't think this is a threat to our jobs? The McDonald by my house has touch screens to order from. No cashier at McDonald's anymore. Last time I checked, airliners used to have 3 guys up front. You don't think it's possible to go to one? It is. It will happen. It will be less safe, but it will be cheaper for the airlines. I expect OUR union to fight this. I expect OUR union to slow the 'progress' of destroying our careers.
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