Number of apps on file?
06-16-2018, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by drywhitetoast
The 19000 apps on file at Delta are more than likely the same apps that are on file at American, United...etc. And out of those 19000 apps how many are actually hiring qualified and not a CFI's with 500hrs? When you think about it in that light the pool of available pilots really isn't that big when compared to upcoming retirements.
I don’t know many folks who only applied at one. I know I applied pretty much everywhere
06-16-2018, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by drywhitetoast
T...the pool of available pilots really isn't that big when compared to upcoming retirements.
And how many are they hiring?
"really isn't that big"? Not how I would describe it.
06-16-2018, 09:30 AM
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"qualified" = just that, "qualified"
"competitive" = HR/Chief Pilot's label of desired experience and background for a new-hire. aka B737 type, 4 year degree, 1000 turbine, prior 121 time, etc
This is where the "Our most competitive applicants have.....XYZ" remarks come from
when I hear "15,000" applicants on file, so what ? what is the applicant supposed to do with that number ? exactly. so who cares.
probably 80% of those apps are all the same dudes applying at the other brand name airlines.
"competitive" = HR/Chief Pilot's label of desired experience and background for a new-hire. aka B737 type, 4 year degree, 1000 turbine, prior 121 time, etc
This is where the "Our most competitive applicants have.....XYZ" remarks come from
when I hear "15,000" applicants on file, so what ? what is the applicant supposed to do with that number ? exactly. so who cares.
probably 80% of those apps are all the same dudes applying at the other brand name airlines.
06-16-2018, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Name User
There's really no difference in training someone to fly a EMB170 vs an EMB190, A320, or 737.
In other words, the majors can be picky now because they have that option, but you can't discard all the other thousands of >1,500 TT piston guys out there.
In other words, the majors can be picky now because they have that option, but you can't discard all the other thousands of >1,500 TT piston guys out there.
It's about having some credible experience. Most majors can be picky enough to require at least some of that.
When push comes to shove they'll have to decide whether to hire CFI's to fly big jets. At that point their CA's are single pilot (they don't seem to mind that at their regional feeders).
06-16-2018, 12:33 PM
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The big three will never have to dip into the pool of undesirables because they ran out of qualified apps. This is because they can mint new pilots from universities, who have a much easier shot at staying clean, than current pilots. With CJO in hand as a college junior, and entering a regional with a refined AQP training program, it's an absolute cake walk.
06-16-2018, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by coryk
I’d guess 4-8k apps, total at each of the big carriers— UA/DL/AA/FDX/SWA/UPS. But it’s all the same 4-8k!
Add all regionals plus military and the 20k number is very believable.
But I agree, it’s the same 20k. No one just applies to one or two legacies,anyone with any sense hits them all up.
06-16-2018, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The big three will never have to dip into the pool of undesirables because they ran out of qualified apps. This is because they can mint new pilots from universities, who have a much easier shot at staying clean, than current pilots. With CJO in hand as a college junior, and entering a regional with a refined AQP training program, it's an absolute cake walk.
06-16-2018, 07:50 PM
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Spirit had over 9,000 qualified apps on file 6 years ago when hiring mins were I think 4,000TT/1,000TPIC. Not sure what the number is since hiring really started to spool up throughout the industry and our mins were dropped significantly.
06-16-2018, 08:34 PM
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Before the hiring at the majors started to ramp up, it was widely reported, even directly from HR departments, there were 10,000 unique well qualified apps.
Hiring has picked up for a couple of years, so now there are twice as many, 20,000 unique well qualified apps? Something does not make sense!
Incidentally, there are 20,000 regional pilots. Those that are FO and the newly upgraded CA would not be called well qualified for the majors. Remember, some CA (generally accepted as 2,000) are lifers, as well.
Hiring has picked up for a couple of years, so now there are twice as many, 20,000 unique well qualified apps? Something does not make sense!
Incidentally, there are 20,000 regional pilots. Those that are FO and the newly upgraded CA would not be called well qualified for the majors. Remember, some CA (generally accepted as 2,000) are lifers, as well.
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