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Old 05-12-2021, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DHC8DRV View Post
It is based on wing span and tail height. Do you guys ever read the text of a NOTAM? For example, a taxiway will be closed to Group III or larger aircraft. Most times they also include the wingspan limits but not always and then you must know what Group number your aircraft is in.



https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...ive-201705.pdf
This document is 300 pages long, and a ctrl+f wasn't helpful. Do you have a concise reference that defines group numbers? I haven't had a practical need for this info in my 12 years of transport and large military aircraft, but that doesn't mean I won't tomorrow.

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Old 05-12-2021, 06:33 AM
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I'm sorry I brought up these groups from the job posting. Are we at the point in the thread where we derail into politics yet?
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Old 05-12-2021, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger View Post
I'm sorry I brought up these groups from the job posting. Are we at the point in the thread where we derail into politics yet?
No.
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Old 05-12-2021, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by detpilot View Post
This document is 300 pages long, and a ctrl+f wasn't helpful. Do you have a concise reference that defines group numbers? I haven't had a practical need for this info in my 12 years of transport and large military aircraft, but that doesn't mean I won't tomorrow.

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page 14 (page 28 of the electronic document)

doesn’t copy and paste well though
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Old 05-12-2021, 10:14 AM
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Part 121 uses Group I & II differently, these definitions need to be used in the proper context...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.400

Pretty sure the job requirements refer to the 121 definition (jets).

Otherwise they are limiting their applicants to only people who have thousands of hours in a *very* specific subset of small-ish aircraft (aircraft design group II).
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Old 05-12-2021, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Here you go!

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What else did you want to know?
That literally made me LOL ...
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Old 05-12-2021, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Part 121 uses Group I & II differently, these definitions need to be used in the proper context...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.400

Pretty sure the job requirements refer to the 121 definition (jets).

Otherwise they are limiting their applicants to only people who have thousands of hours in a *very* specific subset of small-ish aircraft (aircraft design group II).
it’s literally defined right on the job description what they mean by group II aircraft. If they can’t understand that, I don’t think they will need to worry about the job.
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Old 05-12-2021, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Tpinks View Post
it’s literally defined right on the job description what they mean by group II aircraft. If they can’t understand that, I don’t think they will need to worry about the job.
The debate isn’t about what Breeze means by it…that’s obviously clear. It’s about where they came up with this term and definition of “group II” meaning turbojet aircraft greater than 41,000lb, as that isn’t a thing (at least that I can find). There are categorizations of aircraft that use 41,000 lbs as a delineation (FAA wake categories, for example), but “group II” isn’t one of those categorizations.
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Old 05-12-2021, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger View Post
I'm sorry I brought up these groups from the job posting. Are we at the point in the thread where we derail into politics yet?
My “wing mounted engine” joke went way over everyone’s heads apparently.
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Old 05-13-2021, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ElCaribe View Post
My “wing mounted engine” joke went way over everyone’s heads apparently.
It was well played, just promptly buried under a pile of unnecessarily technical posts showing how smart everyone is.

You were correct though, under-wing mounted engine time is the most important logbook statistic only beaten by over-wing mounted engine time. And glider time, but only because those things are powered by magic.
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