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[Breeze] Airways
10-05-2021, 09:50 AM
#1741
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 1,852
Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
I see your point. I just think it's more of a competitive advantage manufactured by low wages and exploitive hiring practices with the college kids. I don't think it's comparable to what happened with gojet.
10-05-2021, 09:58 AM
#1742
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 33
Straight Poop
I am hoping to get honest intel about Breeze. I've read through all the comments. Not looking for judgement, just facts. I think it would be helpful to gather as much known info in one place. If you know the answers personally please help out.
1. A220 Pay Rates CA/FO
2. Benefits (retirement)
3. Stock Options if any
4. Benefits (medical)
5. Benefits (vacation)
6. A220 Bases
7. Pilots on Seniority List (05OCT21)
8. Commuter Benefits if any
1. A220 Pay Rates CA/FO
2. Benefits (retirement)
3. Stock Options if any
4. Benefits (medical)
5. Benefits (vacation)
6. A220 Bases
7. Pilots on Seniority List (05OCT21)
8. Commuter Benefits if any
10-05-2021, 10:05 AM
#1743
Moderator
Joined APC: Sep 2017
Position: MEC Chairman, Snack Basket Committee
Posts: 3,198
Originally Posted by Margaritaville
GoJet (and Freedom Air before it) was an example of Alter Ego. That's a completely different issue.
10-05-2021, 10:09 AM
#1744
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,261
Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
I don't think Breeze is a scab airline. It doesn't exist to get around anyone else's labor contract etc etc.. it's just an airline sold to pilots as the next jetblue. And because of that, everyone is taking in the teeth on pay and benefits. Neeleman hasn't even delivered on the original value proposition.
Just a startup.
10-05-2021, 10:17 AM
#1745
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 220
Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Allegiant A320, August 2021 year 2 (lowest paid Airbus pilots in the USA):
FO $103.07
CA $171.42
70 hour line guarantee, 72 hours reserve. 130% pay above 81 hours.
Breeze pay is pathetic, and I'm sick of seeing everyone on here try to sell it like its Invacare or something.
Neeleman sure knows how to recruit members to his cult of personality, though.
Maybe the major airlines should just refuse to hire anyone who takes a job here. Clearly they have no self esteem as pilots, and don't value their skills at all. Not very self aware either. I bet Breeze would be gone in a year due to lack of pilots if everyone got a mark on their record for selling out here. But unfortunately, this industry is full of people willing to step on someone's neck to move up the ladder one rung, and some airline always willing to reward them for doing it.
FO $103.07
CA $171.42
70 hour line guarantee, 72 hours reserve. 130% pay above 81 hours.
Breeze pay is pathetic, and I'm sick of seeing everyone on here try to sell it like its Invacare or something.
Neeleman sure knows how to recruit members to his cult of personality, though.
Maybe the major airlines should just refuse to hire anyone who takes a job here. Clearly they have no self esteem as pilots, and don't value their skills at all. Not very self aware either. I bet Breeze would be gone in a year due to lack of pilots if everyone got a mark on their record for selling out here. But unfortunately, this industry is full of people willing to step on someone's neck to move up the ladder one rung, and some airline always willing to reward them for doing it.
10-05-2021, 11:01 AM
#1746
On Reserve
Joined APC: Aug 2021
Position: Smurfy Canabus
Posts: 12
Originally Posted by Hiatus
I am hoping to get honest intel about Breeze. I've read through all the comments. Not looking for judgement, just facts. I think it would be helpful to gather as much known info in one place. If you know the answers personally please help out.
1. A220 Pay Rates CA/FO
2. Benefits (retirement)
3. Stock Options if any
4. Benefits (medical)
5. Benefits (vacation)
6. A220 Bases
7. Pilots on Seniority List (05OCT21)
8. Commuter Benefits if any
1. A220 Pay Rates CA/FO
2. Benefits (retirement)
3. Stock Options if any
4. Benefits (medical)
5. Benefits (vacation)
6. A220 Bases
7. Pilots on Seniority List (05OCT21)
8. Commuter Benefits if any
10-05-2021, 11:41 AM
#1747
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,468
Originally Posted by Naviator
what is it $83 x 75
no per diem on reserve because no flying
-$300 per month crash pad
-$300 per month health insurance
-$125 ALPA
11 days off but commute on at least 4 of them.
bottom line = less than Breeze
no per diem on reserve because no flying
-$300 per month crash pad
-$300 per month health insurance
-$125 ALPA
11 days off but commute on at least 4 of them.
bottom line = less than Breeze
No flying? Hah. You wish.
Breeze gives you free crashpad?
Add 30k a year in retention bonuses (conservative number).
Bottom line = more than Breeze.
10-05-2021, 01:19 PM
#1748
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 2,998
Originally Posted by dera
I'll bite.
No flying? Hah. You wish.
Breeze gives you free crashpad?
Add 30k a year in retention bonuses (conservative number).
Bottom line = more than Breeze.
No flying? Hah. You wish.
Breeze gives you free crashpad?
Add 30k a year in retention bonuses (conservative number).
Bottom line = more than Breeze.
10-05-2021, 02:29 PM
#1749
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 262
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
1) do you have 220s on property? Yes.
2) do you have pilots in 220 training? Yes.
3) does that make your rates relevant? Yes.
4) do you have a current rate for them? I think you do from what a buddy told me. I think it’s a blended rate (ie the same rate as your abysmal 190 rates).
please correct any of the above, as I don’t work there, just trying to get some info in case I want to put in an app there.
2) do you have pilots in 220 training? Yes.
3) does that make your rates relevant? Yes.
4) do you have a current rate for them? I think you do from what a buddy told me. I think it’s a blended rate (ie the same rate as your abysmal 190 rates).
please correct any of the above, as I don’t work there, just trying to get some info in case I want to put in an app there.
2. No
3. No
4. yes but no one will fly under the current rates.
10-05-2021, 02:34 PM
#1750
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 262
Originally Posted by Hiatus
I am hoping to get honest intel about Breeze. I've read through all the comments. Not looking for judgement, just facts. I think it would be helpful to gather as much known info in one place. If you know the answers personally please help out.
1. A220 Pay Rates CA/FO
2. Benefits (retirement)
3. Stock Options if any
4. Benefits (medical)
5. Benefits (vacation)
6. A220 Bases
7. Pilots on Seniority List (05OCT21)
8. Commuter Benefits if any
1. A220 Pay Rates CA/FO
2. Benefits (retirement)
3. Stock Options if any
4. Benefits (medical)
5. Benefits (vacation)
6. A220 Bases
7. Pilots on Seniority List (05OCT21)
8. Commuter Benefits if any
2. 4% match for 5% contribution. Subject to change
3. none
4. UHC HDP. Net $22 per month for family of 4
More options coming next year
5. 1, 2, or 3 weeks based on longevity
6. None announced yet
7. 80
8. 1500 per month for now.
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